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Listeners Know Everything About Jay Phillips

“I really feel like it’s important that you know where I’m coming from, you know what I’m about and why I feel about things the way that I do.”

Tyler McComas

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When’s the last time you shared a personal story on the air? Maybe it was something good that happened, maybe it was something bad, heck, maybe it was even something super embarrassing that everyone made fun of you for. Regardless, I’ve found that I’m drawn to the hosts who do an exceptional job of living their life on the show. 

To me, there’s something special about being more than just a talking head that rattles off sports opinions. Let me know who you are and what you’re about that. Tell me humbling or embarrassing stories that humanize you. Connect with me on a personal level. That’s what will keep me coming back to the show every day. 

Jay Phillips of 107.5 The Game in Columbia, South Carolina is of a similar mindset. He wants you to know his favorite band of all-time is Phish. He wants you to know what it’s like raising four daughters as the only man in the house. He even wants you know what he had at his tailgate before the South Carolina game on Saturday. He likes to share his world with the audience. 

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“I feel like there’s some people in the business that just take a certain position or be a thing because it’s expedient from a money perspective or something like that,” said Phillips. “I don’t want to be that guy. I don’t think I could do that, because I am who I am. I’m local and you’re going to know me. I really feel like it’s important that you know where I’m coming from, you know what I’m about and why I feel about things the way that I do.”

For me, there’s some reliability here. Life alert, but I told a girl last Friday night, who I’m newly dating, that I’m going to marry her someday. Maybe it was the White Claws talking, but it was a pretty damn bold move on my part. As embarrassing as it might have been to admit I said that, and trust me it was, I instantly realized I had to share the story on my show. No matter how much crap I got from my co-host, other co-workers or the listeners, I knew it was best for the show.

So I told the whole story Monday during the first hour. Maybe I was naïve, but I never imagined the response it would end up getting. That segment generated more calls, texts and tweets than maybe any other we’ve ever had on the show. 

Now, we have a personal story our listeners have become extremely interested in that we’ll use frequently on the show. I’m even letting my co-host interview her live Thursday afternoon to get more info on just how I completely went overboard over the weekend. All for good content, right…?

The good news is that you don’t have to completely embarrass yourself like me to live your life on the show and make it entertaining. Phillips is a prime example of that. 

11 and a half years ago, he and his wife found out they were pregnant with their fourth child. About a month after that in the early spring of 2008, Jay’s wife found out she had Stage 1B Cervical Cancer. Soon after, the Phillips family was making routine trips to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, which meant doing radio shows from the conference room of a hospital. 

The Phillips’ fourth child was born six weeks early and suffered complications. Not even 90 minutes after the delivery happened, his wife had surgery for her cancer to be fully removed. 

“That story I shared a lot,” said Phillips. “Even now on the anniversary of my wife being cancer free, which is obviously also our daughter’s birthday, too, I’ll mention that on the air. I don’t want to say I commiserate with other people who’ve been through it, but a lot of people have been touched by something like that. So from that perspective, I don’t want to say I enjoyed sharing, but I think it’s important to reach out to people and give them a sense that, oh hey, I’ve been through that and so has that guy. That was rather personal and I don’t want to say I went out of my way on it but it was a pretty big deal, you know? I have appreciated the opportunity to share that from time to time.”

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As great as living your life on the show can be, it’s like everything else, in the sense that there needs to be balance. There’s a fine line on how much sharing is too much, but it does exists. 

A couple of people have told Phillips, “Okay dude, you have four daughters. We get it.” 

“That’s people that just want to stick to sports,” Phillips said. “Those are the types that want to hear about the next offensive line recruit. I know that’s a small percentage of a listener base but I’m just going to tell you where I’m coming from and I’m also going to operate on the mindset that you may have never listened to my show before. I can’t assume that everyone listening to me every day is always there three hours a day and five days a week. I also want to relate that because it’s not like I’m the only dad out there who is going with the family to take the kids on college visits. I want people to know that that’s part of who I am. You know, things like what I’m going to make for a tailgate meal, what I had at the Super Bowl, something like that.”

You’ll periodically hear Phillips mention his love for Phish. Whether it’s hearing the band being used as bumper music for the show or mentioning how many times he’s seen them in concert, it’s become just another way he shares with the audience what he’s passionate about. It may be subtle, but it could go a long way in building personal relationships with the listener. 

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“I don’t want to say I model off of it, but how Dan Patrick and his guys run their show with a nice mix of sports, food, beer, music, movies and TV shows, that’s who I am,” said Phillips. “I like to cook and I like good beer. I enjoy being out with people, I enjoy live music and we talk about those things a lot. I don’t want to say we do it too much, that’s more of a subjective feeling, anyway, but when I can bring them up, I like to bring them up.”

What are you passionate about? How is it being single? How is it being married? There’s so many ways to show your audience just what kind of person you really are. Whichever you choose, it’s important to remember to let the audience know you on a more personal level. 

Sure, I’ll come for your sports takes, but I’ll stay if I feel connected to you as a host. 

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Your Football Conversation Has To Be Different

I don’t know why any host would go with B- or C-material just for the sake of providing variety. That’s silly to me.

Brian Noe

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Rejoice! Ball is back, baby. Life is just better when football season is included; am I right? (That was a rhetorical question because I know I’m right in this case.) Like many people in this country, I’m all about the pigskin. Outside of my family and friends, there aren’t many things in life that I love more than BALL.

With all of that being established, a simple question still exists: is there such a thing as talking too much football on a sports radio show?

I think it isn’t as much what you’re talking about; it’s how you’re talking about it. For instance, it isn’t good enough to lazily say, “Ehh, we’ll start off by talking about the game last night.” Well, how are you going to talk about it? Do you have anything original, interesting or entertaining to say? Or are you just gonna start riffing like you’re in a jam band hoping to accidentally stumble onto something cool after six minutes of nothing?

Talking about football is like opening a new burger joint. Hang with me on this one. There are so many options — Burger King, McDonald’s, Five Guys, Wendy’s, In-N-Out, etc. — that you can’t expect to have great success if you open a run-of-the-mill burger joint of your own. Having an inferior product is going to produce an inferior result.

It comes down to whether a topic or angle will cause the show to stand out or blend in. Going knee-deep on a national show about the competition at left guard between two Buffalo Bills offensive lineman doesn’t stand out. You’ll get lost in the shuffle that way.

A show needs to constantly be entertaining and engaging. One way to check that box is with unique viewpoints. Don’t say what other shows are saying. Your burger joint (aka football conversation) needs to be different than the competition. Otherwise, why are you special?

Another way to stand out is with personality. It’s impossible to have unique angles with every single topic that’s presented. A lot of hosts recently pointed out that the Dallas Cowboys committed 17 penalties in their first preseason game against the Denver Broncos. But Stephen A. Smith said it differently than everybody else. That’s what it comes down to; either say things that other shows aren’t saying, or say them differently.

New York Jets head coach Robert Saleh made a comment recently that too much of anything is a bad thing. So back to the original question, is there such a thing as too much football talk on a sports radio show?

Variety is the spice of life, but quality is the spice of sports radio. If a show provides quality, listeners will keep coming back. It’s really that simple. Sure, hosts will hear “talk more this, talk more that” from time to time, but you know what’s funny about that? It means the listeners haven’t left. The show is providing enough quality for them to stick around. If the quality goes away, so will the audience.

It’s smart for hosts and programmers to think, “What’s our strongest stuff?” If that happens to be a bunch of football topics, great, roll with it. I don’t know why any host would go with B- or C-material just for the sake of providing variety. That’s silly to me.

Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick said something interesting last week while visiting Atlanta’s training camp. Vick was asked which team’s offense he’d like to run if he was still playing today. “The offense Tom Brady is running in Tampa,” Vick said. “Pass first.”

The answer stood out to me because throwing the ball isn’t what made Vick special with the Falcons. He was a decent passer and a dynamic runner. The run/pass blend made Vick a problem. I totally understand wanting to prove doubters wrong, but there are a lot of athletes that get away from what they do best while relying on something else that isn’t their specialty.

Los Angeles Lakers guard Russell Westbrook is not an outside shooter. He’s brutal in that area. Yet Russ will keep firing threes at a 30% clip. Why? Attacking the rim and working the midrange is his game. You don’t see Phoenix Suns guard Chris Paul bombing threes if they aren’t going in. He kills opponents with his midrange skills all day.

It’ll be interesting to see how Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa approaches this season. He’s received a steady diet of “can’t throw the deep ball.” Will he try to a fault to prove doubters wrong, or will he rely on what he does best? Beating defenders with timing and accuracy on shorter throws is where he finds the most success.

Working to improve your weaknesses makes sense, but it shouldn’t come at the expense of going away from your strengths. How is it any different in sports radio? If a host isn’t strong when it comes to talking basketball or baseball, it definitely makes sense to improve in those areas. But if that same host stands out by talking football, at some point it becomes like Westbrook jacking up threes if the host gets too far away from a bread-and-butter strength.

Former New York Yankees closer Mariano Rivera is the only player in the Baseball Hall of Fame that was unanimously elected. He relied on his cutter — a fastball that moved, a lot — about 85% of the time. Mo didn’t say, “Man, my four-seam fastball and changeup aren’t getting enough respect.” He rode that cutter all the way to Cooperstown and legendary status.

Rivera is a great example of how playing to your strengths is the best approach. He also shows that quality trumps variety every time. Let’s put it this way: if 85% of a sports radio show is football content, and the quality of that show is anywhere near Mo caliber, it’s destined to be a hit.

One of my buddies, Mike Zanchelli, has always been a hit with the ladies. I think he came out of the womb with at least 10 girls in the nursery showing interest in him. He had a simple dating philosophy: “Always. Leave them. Wanting. More.” That might work in dating, but I think it’s the opposite in sports radio. Most listeners don’t hear the entire show. If they’re in and out, wouldn’t you want them to hear your best stuff when they are tuned in?

That’s why I say screw variety. That’s why I wouldn’t worry about overserving your audience an all-you-can-eat BALL buffet. I think it’s much wiser to focus on producing a quality product regardless if it’s well rounded or not.

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ESPN Has Gone From Playing Checkers to Chess In Two Years

Those decisions make the future ones with the Pac-12, the Big 12, NBA and UFC fascinating to watch but what’s clear is that this ESPN strategy is different.

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In the days after the Big Ten news leaked regarding some of the details of their upcoming media deals, I was hankering for more information. I wanted more insight as to the “why”. Why did the Big Ten leave such a long-lasting and prosperous relationship with ESPN. I just couldn’t imagine it and it’s why I wrote about it last week.

It was in that pursuit of knowledge that I tuned into a podcast favorite of mine, The Marchand and Ourand Sports Media Podcast. The show’s hosts are deep into the weeds of sports media with John Ourand at the Sports Business Journal and Andrew Marchand at the New York Post. It was Ourand who was dropping dimes of news on the Big Ten deal last week. I wanted to hear him dive deeper, and he did on the podcast. But it was a throwaway line that got my wheels churning.

“This is about the third or fourth deal in a row that ESPN, the free-spending ESPN, to me has shown some financial discipline” Ourand said. “They are showing a bit of financial discipline that I hadn’t seen certainly when John Skipper was there and pre-dating John Skipper.”

I had to keep digging and folks, it’s true. ESPN is essentially Jimmy Pitaro in the above quote, the Chairman of ESPN. Since taking the role in 2018, he was put into an interesting position of being in the middle of a lot of big money media rights deals that would be coming due for renegotiation soon. The rights fees for EVERYTHING were going to balloon wildly. But in the last two years, he has comfortably kept the astronomical rates somewhat within shouting distance.

The big one, the NFL media rights deal agreed to last March, saw ESPN pay a very strong 30% increase for the rights. However, other networks involved had to pay “double” as Ourand so succinctly put it. He also personally negotiated with FOX to bring in Troy Aikman and Joe Buck to make their Monday Night Football booth easily more recognizable and the best in the sport. ESPN in that deal, that did NOT include doubled rates, got more games, better games, and more schedule flexibility. ABC gets two Super Bowls in the deal too. Simply put, Jimmy Pitaro set up ESPN to get a Super Bowl itself, but for now his network will take full advantage of the ABC network broadcast when the time comes (2026, 2030).

The recent Big Ten deal was massive because the conference spent forty years with ESPN and decided to reward that loyalty with a massively overpriced mid-tier package. ESPN balked at the idea. In their back pocket lies a lot of college football media rights deals with a lot of conferences including one that will be a massively profitable venture, the SEC package. ESPN takes over the CBS package of the “top” conference game. Yes, it paid $3 billion for it, but it’s a scant $300 million annually. Sure, that’s over 5X what CBS was paying annually but CBS signed that deal in 1996! I need not tell you all of the advancements in our world since Bob Dole was a presidential nominee. ESPN now gets to cherry-pick the best game from the best conference and put the game anywhere they damn well please to maximize exposure.

The F1 media rights extension is massive because of two things: one, they got it cheap before the sport littered your timeline on weekend mornings and two, when they re-signed with F1 this summer they paid way less than other streaming networks were reportedly willing to pay. The brand, the savvy worked again. ESPN takes a small risk for a potentially exploding sport and much like CBS did with the SEC for 25 years, can make massive margins.

I can keep going, and I will with one more. Sports betting. The niche is growing like my lawn minutes after the summer rainstorm. Pitaro has said publicly that sports betting “has become a must-have” and he’s full-frontal correct. ESPN is in an odd spot with their clear lineage to Disney, but it’s obvious something massive is going to come soon with ESPN reportedly looking for a deal in the $3 billion neighborhood.

Pitaro has been positioning this company from a position of strength. He pays big money for big properties, but knows when he’s getting taken advantage of and most importantly, isn’t afraid to pull his brand’s name out of the deep end.

ESPN may have an issue with dwindling subscribers, but that’s an everyone problem. The difference is ESPN is constantly trying to get you from one network ship you think is sinking into another network life raft. If you want to leave cable or satellite and go streaming, you can. ESPN+ is there to pick up the pieces. Or Sling (with an ESPN bundle). Or YouTube TV (ESPN is there too). Or a myriad of other ways. They are positioned so well right now to be where you think you want to go. Jimmy Pitaro and ESPN have been amazing at doing whatever they can to keep you paying them monthly.

The network has been aggressive with media rights deals but these newer ones have been diligently maneuvered by Pitaro. It was a choice to essentially back the SEC for the next decade, and to put more money into the potential of F1. The effort was a conscious one to keep a tight-lipped mission to bolster Monday Night Football’s booth. It was an understated strategy to reinvest in the NHL. Those decisions make the future ones with the Pac-12, the Big 12, NBA and UFC fascinating to watch but what’s clear is that this ESPN strategy is different. The old adage of “pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered” may have applied to the network under different leadership, but these aren’t eating pigs. These are boars.

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The Producers Podcast – Big Baby Dave, Jomboy Media

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Big Baby Dave has his hands in everything for Jomboy Media. He joins Brady Farkas to talk about how he brings a unique sound to each show he works with.

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