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How Do Producers Make The Biggest Shows The Best?

“If your show sucks, if you turn in a bad show, or a show where the guys are just trying to get to the finish line, the audience will tell you that.”

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I’ve always felt John Stockton would have the characteristics to be a great producer in sports radio. He makes others around him better, he puts the stars in the best situation to succeed and he doesn’t demand the limelight. Doesn’t that sound like the producer of a successful radio show? The only thing I’m not sure of is if his short shorts would catch on.

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There are so many John Stockton’s in this industry. People that don’t get the notoriety, attention or paycheck of the big names in radio, but without them, their absence would be massively felt.

Al Dukes, producer of Boomer and Gio on WFAN, is one of the many that serve as an intricate piece of his show’s success. But at the same time, working with two stars such as Gregg Giannotti and Boomer Esiason, that can mean the show almost writes itself on most days. So, even as the executive producer, where does Dukes find his space to program the show?

“We have a group text message with me, Boomer and Gio,” said Dukes. “It’s there if anyone ever wants to say something, tweet a story or anything like that. We do it a lot now, since we’re not all in the same spot and we don’t see each other face-to-face. Sometimes we’ll do some phone calls, but I’ve worked with Boomer now for 13 years and Gio for three, so we’re kind of already in sync with how we think the show is best run. It’s really been running pretty smoothly for a while, so we don’t do all that much altering of it.”

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Beau Morgan, producer for Dukes and Bell on 92.9 The Game in Atlanta, is also on a two-man show that’s established as one of the best in Atlanta. The identity of a show can often dictate what a producer’s biggest role is. For Morgan it’s all about content.

“Content is king,” Morgan said. “When I first got in the business I was essentially a guest booker, because that’s the way it was where I was working. Producers book guests. I realized everything starts with content so I try to develop content. I wake up every morning and I put a show sheet together. I think about where we want to start the show and I have a conference call with Carl (Dukes) every morning at the same time.

“We go over how we want to start our show, where we want to go with the content, storylines, that kind of stuff. A secondary would definitely be that I don’t want to put guests above feedback. I think feedback is extremely important. But I’m always in those guys’ ear. Maybe it’s just a correction of, the stat was really this, or it was 2013 when this guy really did that.

“COVID-19 really changed how I produced. With less sports happening for a long time I booked more guests to help develop content. Carl and Mike can talk about the NFL Draft until they’re blue in the face but at some point you have to give the listener something different, so that’s where I use guests to break different angles. Then, there’s nothing wrong with creating content 2 to 3 days later from a soundbite that a guest said on your show. They all go hand-in-hand in someway. The longer I’ve been in the business, the more and more I believe that content is king.”

Content is king, but so are sales. Especially in a COVID world where just about every station in America has suffered some kind of cut. A producer needs to always be mindful of what sounds best on the air, but how also to make it profitbale. 

“My hands are involved in all aspects of the show,” said Greg Toohey, executive producer of The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. “Content, prep, sales, podcasts, guests, Jon Goulet and I are the bridge between Colin and the TV side to our iHeart/FSR Team. I work directly with our iHeart sales group ensuring we’re doing our part to keep the clients happy. I also enjoy collaborating with our talent booker on guests to decide who we want to go after each day and week.” 

Maybe you’re a producer like Morgan and believe content is king. Maybe your focus is more on scheduling high-profile guests. Regardless it’s all about how much you’re able to improve the show you’re on.

“I send a rundown by around 10:30 and from there we kind of fill in the gaps,” said Tyler Devitte, producer of Ordway, Merloni and Fauria on WEEI in Boston. “We basically know, from that run down, what the big stories of the day are, any potential guests, any local or national audio we want to use, I provide the framework. From there, they can insert any takes they want to have, any sound they heard, any stories they want to jump on. At our conference call at 11:15 that’s when we hash out those ideas. But a lot of it starts from that morning email.”

“Prep,” said Dustin Rhoades, executive producer at 670 The Score in Chicago. “Making sure we have all the right audio, stories and then twisting them into sports talk and making them relatable. Like, taking a national story and making it relatable to the local audience.”

Though the producer is normally the one making the host better, It can work both ways. Greg Toohey works with arguably the best host in America in Collin Cowherd. He’s a better executive producer because of the talent he works with.

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“Colin’s unending quest to be the best of the best drives me and our staff to be our best and bring our “A” game each and every day.  His prep is second to none and I’ve always appreciated and respected the fact he’s willing to come in three hours before the show, sit down, discuss and debate ideas, to put the show together.  I’ve always known ‘your show is only as good as the prep and work you put into it,’ but, working on this show with Colin has taken that saying to another level. “

Pressure is a great motivator in many things, including sports radio. When producing in a large market, there’s a pressure to bring it every single show and fill segments with unique and fresh content. 

“Going from market No. 48 in Jacksonville, where I used to work, then being inserted into the pressure of working at WEEI, there’s a certain standard you want to live up to” said Devitte. “The audience in Boston, they demand a lot out of you and they’ll tell you when you suck. If your show sucks, if you turn in a bad show, or a show where the guys are just trying to get to the finish line, the audience will tell you that. They know if you’re mailing it in and they’ll tell you about it. A big part of my job is to present things to them that are fresh.”

Just like you should never take a legendary point guard for granted, a great producer should never be underappreciated. In many circumstances, nobody knows what’s best for the show, what the audience wants to hear, and how to handle ego, quite like the executive producer. 

Name a successful show and you’ll find a great producer that works their ass off behind the scenes to ensure the show is running at its maximum potential. One of the bigget keys to being the ultimate producer is knowing the strengths of the host and using them to enhance the show. 

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It’s not always an easy job, frankly, it’s sometimes even thankless, but if you can get the most out of your hosts everyday, you’ll be the intrical piece of creative a show that’s special.

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The Future Is Now, Embrace Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible.

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This week has been a reckoning for sports and its streaming future on Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+, ESPN+, and more.

Amazon announced that Thursday Night Football, which averaged 13 million viewers, generated the highest number of U.S. sign ups over a three hour period in the app’s history. More people in the United States subscribed to Prime during the September 15th broadcast than they did during Black Friday, Prime Day, and Cyber Monday. It was also “the most watched night of primetime in Prime Video’s history,” according to Amazon executive Jay Marine. The NFL and sports in general have the power to move mountains even for some of the nation’s biggest and most successful brands.

This leads us to the conversation happening surrounding Aaron Judge’s chase for history. Judge has been in pursuit of former major leaguer Roger Maris’ record for the most home runs hit during one season in American League history.

The sports world has turned its attention to the Yankees causing national rights holders such as ESPN, Fox, and TBS to pick up extra games in hopes that they capture the moment history is made. Apple TV+ also happened to have a Yankees game scheduled for Friday night against the Red Sox right in the middle of this chase for glory.

Baseball fans have been wildin’ out at the prospects of missing the grand moment when Judge passes Maris or even the moments afterwards as Judge chases home run number 70 and tries to truly create monumental history of his own. The New York Post’s Andrew Marchand has even reported there were talks between YES, MLB, and Apple to bring Michael Kay into Apple’s broadcast to call the game, allow YES Network to air its own production of the game, or allow YES Network to simulcast Apple TV+’s broadcast. In my opinion, all of this hysteria is extremely bogus.

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible. Amazon brought in NBC to help with production of TNF and if you watch the flow of the broadcast, the graphics of the broadcast, NBC personalities like Michael Smith, Al Michaels, and Terry McAuliffe make appearances on the telecast – it is very clear that the network’s imprint is all over the show.

NBC’s experience in conducting the broadcast has made the viewing experience much more seamless. Apple has also used MLB Network and its personalities for assistance in ensuring there’s no major difference between what you see on air vs. what you’re streaming.

Amazon and Apple have also decided to not hide their games behind a paywall. Since the beginning of the season, all of Apple’s games have been available free of charge. No subscription has ever been required. As long as you have an Apple device and can download Apple TV+, you can watch their MLB package this season.

Guess what? Friday’s game against the Red Sox is also available for free on your iPhone, your laptop, or your TV simply by downloading the AppleTV app. Amazon will also simulcast all Thursday Night Football games on Twitch for free. It may be a little harder or confusing to find the free options, but they are out there and they are legal and, once again, they are free.

Apple has invested $85 million into baseball, money that will go towards your team becoming better hypothetically. They’ve invested money towards creating a new kind of streaming experience. Why in the hell would they offer YES Network this game for free? There’s no better way for them to drive subscriptions to their product than by offering fans a chance at watching history on their platform.

A moment like this are the main reason Apple paid for rights in the first place. When Apple sees what the NFL has done for Amazon in just one week and coincidentally has the ability to broadcast one of the biggest moments in baseball history – it would be a terrible business decision to let viewers watch it outside of the Apple ecosystem and lose the ability to gain new fans.

It’s time for sports fans to grow up and face reality. Streaming is here to stay. 

MLB Network is another option

If you don’t feel like going through the hassle of watching the Yankees take on the Red Sox for free on Apple TV+, MLB Network will also air all of Judge’s at bats live as they are happening. In case the moment doesn’t happen on Apple TV+ on Friday night, Judge’s next games will air in full on MLB Network (Saturday), ESPN (Sunday), MLB Network again (Monday), TBS (Tuesday) and MLB Network for a third time on Wednesday. All of MLB Network’s games will be simulcast of YES Network’s local New York broadcast. It wouldn’t shock me to see Fox pick up another game next Thursday if the pursuit still maintains national interest.

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  • One of the weirdest things about the experience of streaming sports is that you lose the desire to channel surf. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Brandon Ross of LightShed Ventures wonders if the difficulty that comes with going from app to app will help Amazon keep viewers on TNF the entire time no matter what the score of the game is. If it does, Amazon needs to work on developing programming to surround the games or start replaying the games, pre and post shows so that when you fall asleep and wake up you’re still on the same stream on Prime Video or so that coming to Prime Video for sports becomes just as much of a habit for fans as tuning in to ESPN is.
  • CNN has announced the launch of a new morning show with Don Lemon, Poppy Harlow and Kaitlin Collins. Variety reports, “Two people familiar with plans for the show say it is likely to use big Warner Bros. properties — a visit from the cast of HBO’s Succession or sports analysis from TNT’s NBA crew — to lure eyeballs.” It’ll be interesting to see if Turner Sports becomes a cornerstone of this broadcast. Will the NBA start doing schedule releases during the show? Will a big Taylor Rooks interview debut on this show before it appears on B/R? Will the Stanley Cup or Final Four MVP do an interview on CNN’s show the morning after winning the title? Does the show do remote broadcasts from Turner’s biggest sports events throughout the year?
  • The Clippers are back on over the air television. They announced a deal with Nexstar to broadcast games on KTLA and other Nexstar owned affiliates in California. The team hasn’t reached a deal to air games on Bally Sports SoCal or Bally Sports Plus for the upcoming season. Could the Clippers pursue a solo route and start their own OTT service in time for the season? Are they talking to Apple, Amazon, or ESPN about a local streaming deal? Is Spectrum a possible destination? I think these are all possibilities but its likely that the Clippers end up back on Bally Sports since its the status quo. I just find it interesting that it has taken so long to solidify an agreement and that it wasn’t announced in conjunction with the KTLA deal. The Clippers are finally healthy this season, moving into a new arena soon, have the technology via Second Spectrum to produce immersive game casts. Maybe something is brewing?
  • ESPN’s Monday Night Football double box was a great concept. The execution sucked. Kudos to ESPN for adjusting on the fly once complaints began to lodge across social media. I think the double box works as a separate feed. ESPN2 should’ve been the home to the double box. SVP and Stanford Steve could’ve held a watch party from ESPN’s DC studio with special guests. The double box watch party on ESPN2 could’ve been interrupted whenever SVP was giving an update on games for ESPN and ABC. It would give ESPN2 a bit of a behind the scenes look at how the magic happens similarly to what MLB Tonight did last week. Credit to ESPN and the NFL for experimenting and continuing to try and give fans unique experiences.

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ESPN Shows Foresight With Monday Night Football Doubleheader Timing

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7 and then 10 on their primary channel.

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The Monday Night Football doubleheader was a little bit different this time around for ESPN.

First, it came in Week 2 instead of Week 1. And then, the games were staggered 75 minutes apart on two different channels, the Titans and Bills beginning on ESPN at 7:15 PM ET and the Vikings at the Eagles starting at 8:30 PM on ABC and ESPN+. This was a departure from the usual schedule in which the games kicked off at 7:00 PM ET and then 10:00 PM ET with the latter game on the West Coast.

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7:00 PM and then 10:00 PM ET on their primary channel. That’s the typical approach, right? The NFL is the most valuable offering in all of sports and ESPN would have at least six consecutive hours of live programming without any other game to switch to.

Instead, they staggered the starts so the second game kicked off just before the first game reached halftime. They placed the games on two different channels, which risked cannibalizing their audience. Why? Well, it’s the same reason that ESPN was so excited about the last year’s Manningcast that it’s bringing it back for 10 weeks this season. ESPN is not just recognizing the reality of how their customers behave, but they’re embracing it.

Instead of hoping with everything they have that the customer stays in one place for the duration of the game, they’re recognizing the reality that they will leave and providing another product within their portfolio to be a destination when they do.

It’s the kind of experiment everyone in broadcasting should be investigating because, for all the talk about meeting the customer where they are, we still tend to be a little bit stubborn about adapting to what they do. 

Customers have more choices than ever when it comes to media consumption. First, cable networks softened the distribution advantages of broadcast networks, and now digital offerings have eroded the distribution advantages of cable networks. It’s not quite a free-for-all, but the battle for viewership is more intense, more wide open than ever because that viewer has so many options of not just when and where but how they will consume media.

Programmers have a choice in how to react to this. On the one hand, they can hold on tighter to the existing model and try to squeeze as much out of it as they can. If ESPN was thinking this way it would stack those two Monday night games one after the other just like it always has and hope like hell for a couple of close games to juice the ratings. Why would you make it impossible for your customer to watch both of these products you’ve paid so much to televise?

I’ve heard radio programmers and hosts recite take this same approach for more than 10 years now when it comes to making shows available on-demand. Why would you give your customers the option of consuming the product in a way that’s not as remunerative or in a way that is not measured?

That thinking is outdated and it is dangerous from an economic perspective because it means you’re trying to make the customer behave in your best interest by restricting their choices. And maybe that will work. Maybe they like that program enough that they’ll consume it in the way you’d prefer or maybe they decide that’s inconvenient or annoying or they decide to try something else and now this customer who would have listened to your product in an on-demand format is choosing to listen to someone else’s product entirely.

After all, you’re the only one that is restricting that customer’s choices because you’re the only one with a desire to keep your customer where he is. Everyone else is more than happy to give your customer something else. 

There’s a danger in holding on too tightly to the existing model because the tighter you squeeze, the more customers will slip through your fingers, and if you need a physical demonstration to complete this metaphor go grab a handful of sand and squeeze it hard.

Your business model is only as good as its ability to predict the behavior of your customers, and as soon as it stops doing that, you need to adjust that business model. Don’t just recognize the reality that customers today will exercise the freedom that all these media choices provide, embrace it.

Offer more products. Experiment with more ways to deliver those products. The more you attempt to dictate the terms of your customer’s engagement with your product, the more customers you’ll lose, and by accepting this you’ll open yourself to the reality that if your customer is going to leave your main offering, it’s better to have them hopping to another one of your products as opposed to leaving your network entirely.

Think in terms of depth of engagement, and breadth of experience. That’s clearly what ESPN is doing because conventional thinking would see the Manningcast as a program that competes with the main Monday Night Football broadcast, that cannibalizes it. ESPN sees it as a complimentary experience. An addition to the main broadcast, but it also has the benefit that if the customer feels compelled to jump away from the main broadcast – for whatever reason – it has another ESPN offering that they may land on.

I’ll be watching to see what ESPN decides going forward. The network will have three Monday Night Football doubleheaders beginning next year, and the game times have not been set. Will they line them up back-to-back as they had up until this year? If they do it will be a vote of confidence that its traditional programming approach that evening is still viable. But if they overlap those games going forward, it’s another sign that less is not more when it comes to giving your customers a choice in products.

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Media Noise: Sunday Ticket Has Problems, Marcellus Wiley Does Not

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On this episode of Media Noise, Demetri is joined by Brian Noe to talk about the wild year FS1’s Marcellus Wiley has had and by Garrett Searight to discuss the tumultuous present and bright future of NFL Sunday Ticket.

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