Chances are that if you are watching a sporting event whether it is the Yankees, Nets, the WNBA, or the Women’s Final Four, you will most likely hear the voice of Ryan Ruocco.
Since starting as a statistician at YES back in 2007, Ruocco worked his way into becoming one of the voices of the Nets in 2011 and later the Yankees, filling in on games for Michael Kay beginning in 2015. In addition to YES, he has been at ESPN as the play-by-play announcer for NBA and WNBA games as well as the NCAA Women’s Tournament.
So, how does Ruocco balance the schedule if he has to call different games during a particular week? He says the key is to treat each game as if it were a “final exam” and by taking the events in order:
“If I have 4 games in 5 days and it’s 4 different networks or sports, I’m going to take care of the first thing first. I’ll do sort of peripheral, skeleton things with boards for games down the road, but I’m not going to let my mind fully dive into the next thing until I get there. Otherwise, it’s going to be cluttered in my head and it might mean that I’m cramming a little bit mentally, but I’m ok to do that. If I know I’ve gotten my skeleton boards done, now I know have 7 hours where I can fully dive in on a given game.
“If I can do that, then I can just kind of compartmentalize it and that’ll give me ample time to do what I need to do to be ready. Sometimes, it’s just looking at your schedule and saying when do I have to do what in order to be prepared on air.”
Ruocco does more regular work with the Nets than the Yankees. That means juggling preparations for MLB and NBA action is necessary. He says when trying to balance where to place his focus, he’ll spend more time on the Yankees’ opponent than he might prepping for a basketball game, simply because he’s around the NBA game more:
“For the Nets, it’s not as hard for me. I see them all the time. Whereas, if I’m doing the Yankees vs. Mariners and I haven’t seen Seattle at all this year, I can’t just dive into the Mariners the morning of the game. That’s not going to work out. It’s kind of just being smart and honest about what you have to do for each assignment and applying things mentally to keep yourself clear on-air for each assignment.”
In addition to being on TV, Ruocco has spent time on the radio, working for ESPN Radio on shows with Stephen A. Smith, Dave Rothenberg, and being a co-host on The Michael Kay Show. He credits his first co-host, Robin Lundberg, with teaching him about the NBA and says live radio is a great advantage for preparing for any situation:
“It makes it real easy to craft your words when you have a two-minute fill on a TV broadcast or all of a sudden, the booth isn’t level in Toronto (this actually happened) and they’re going to take 5-10 minutes to fix it. Some people don’t have that experience of talking extemporaneously without having any stimulation in front of them like you have on the radio, they might freak out.”
That preparation for the anything-can-happen on live radio or TV came from when Ruocco worked in college at WFUV Radio at Fordham University. His mentor and executive director, Bob Ahrens, gave him advice saying “when s**t flies, s**t happens.” Here is how Ruocco explained it:
“That was a great way to calm me down in moments of chaos. When you are on live TV or live radio, inevitably, things are going to go differently than the way you thought they were going to go. The key to having success is not freaking out when it does because the reality is because it’s live, things are going to happen.”
While Ruocco does enjoy certain aspects of live radio, he is not a fan of how it can sometimes lead people into controversy. It’s why he prefers hosting the R2C2 podcast with former MLB pitcher CC Sabathia:
“I think our podcast, we always wanted to be more about storytelling and people showing their personalities rather than having to drive any sort of controversy or opinion. While we certainly have those moments, that’s not the crux of it. We don’t look at a juicy story and say, oh, that’s for us. Whereas when you do daily radio, you do. No matter what your natural disposition is or even what your commitment is to trying to be more positive, when you do daily radio, it just sort of naturally drags you into controversy a little bit more. I didn’t love that part of daily radio.
“I think the podcast is great because it allows us the best parts of doing radio, which is the connectivity with the audience and sort of the free flowing medium without having to feel like we need to make mountains out of molehills like I think most people feel compelled to do with daily radio as you’re trying to come up with content.”
Ruocco and Sabathia have hosted the R2C2 podcast together over the last few years. As Sabathia has transitioned from being a player to a podcast host, Ruocco has seen his co-host grow in the industry and it has impressed him:
“I think he has honed a lot of broadcast skills as well where I can see him segueing and pivoting topics and asking follow-ups and generating conversations and going places where I’m like, that’s where I wanted to go next. That’s really impressive stuff for someone who hasn’t been in a booth to learn and I think he continues to really improve on that front as well.”
On Saturday, Ruocco was on the call for the Las Vegas Aces vs. Seattle Storm WNBA game as the league began its 25th season. Since he started calling games in 2013, he’s noticed that it is no longer cool to make jokes about the WNBA:
“More and more people are understanding just how cool these women are and this league is and how great the basketball is… I think it was very in vogue to make a joke about it or act like it wasn’t as cool and now, nobody thinks it is funny anymore. No one thinks it’s cool to put down the WNBA, at least nobody who I would want to hang out with or respect would do that. It’s juvenile. I’m happy to see more and more people getting it.”
Ruocco was in Seattle for that game, something which a year earlier may have seemed impossible. The challenges created by the pandemic forced a lot of adjustments for broadcasters and networks, earning high praise from Ruocco for the work done by operators and technicians. Working without the usual tools and calling games during times of uncertainty helped Ryan learn just how important the energy he brings to any broadcast is:
“Without having crowds and without having the action in front of you and calling games in more sterile environments like my living room or my kitchen, it’s even more important to be able to manufacture the energy that should go along with an audience watching a professional game. I think that I kind of just always thought that’s my style, that’s how I broadcast trying to have energy, but energy that makes sense too, which I’ve always prided myself on. This period of time actually gave me more of an appreciation for the significance of broadcasting with energy because you will hear people who are broadcasting from their home and it sounds like they are trying not to wake up their house. All of a sudden, that really changes the experience for the viewer and not in a good way.”
While Ruocco has had to call games from his living room and kitchen in the past year, he’s also had the opportunity to take part in cool experiences like ESPN’s Marvel-themed NBA broadcast of Warriors-Pelicans. As a big Marvel fan, he felt like he was walking onto a movie set when he went into the studio. He says he’s a fan of networks trying these type of new ideas:
“It always makes me laugh when I see sort of the old guard traditionalist from Twitter ripping on these innovative broadcasts because creativity started all of this. Every single thing we see in sports and entertainment is the brainchild of someone taking a chance creatively. Maybe those things don’t end up having legs or maybe they don’t end up being long-term, but I will never, ever criticize any company or network for trying something because that’s how you get innovation.”
A few days ago, Mike Breen, a Fordham alum, was inducted into the National Basketball Hall Of Fame as the 2020 winner of the Curt Gowdy Award. When Ruocco was in college, he got great advice from Breen about listening back to past work and how to grow from it:
“He [Breen] would go back once a year and listen back to an old game or two to continue to try and give yourself honest feedback and he said it’s funny even now, you have me listen to games from 2 years ago, and this was when he was already a well-established NBA voice and calling The NBA Finals. I would be like, oh, that’s not good or I can’t listen to that and I think that’s how you should feel.”
“If I go back to broadcasting three years ago, I should feel I am better than that. The way you get there is from listening to that stuff. I did that extensively during the Final Four. I listened to several broadcasts and there were a couple of things I picked up on that I was like, I think I could do that better…I’m not just trying to be good at this, I’m driven to be great at this.”
One of the things I asked Ruocco at the start of our conversation was what would he tell himself if he could go back and chat with the 2007 version of himself. He mentioned that not one experience can ever be duplicated whether it’s calling games at Fordham with his friends or doing the Women’s NCAA Tournament, every experience is unique:
“No matter what, there are things that end up having better audiences and represent progress in my career, but I think the key thing to realize is every single step has its own unique reward and can’t be duplicated.”
When you listen to anything Ryan Ruocco does in TV, radio, or podcasts, he brings that same energy and enthusiasm to every medium. It goes a long way into making a great broadcast.
The Cost of “Thoughts”
Jack Del Rio made a classic mistake of wondering aloud about topics that people in public positions aren’t allowed to think about on Twitter.
The first recorded use of the expression, “A penny for your thoughts,” was made by Sir Thomas Moore precisely 500 years ago (1522). But, no doubt, a penny went much further in the 16th century.
The U.S. Department of Labor’s most recent Consumer Price Index (CPI) shows that inflation continues to increase above expectations. The current annual rate of 8.6% is the highest since 1981. The cost of thoughts, or at least saying them aloud, well, saying certain things in a public forum, has gone up far more than the CPI.
Jack Del Rio, defensive coordinator for the Washington Commanders (formerly known as the “Washington Football Team,” and before that, the Washington Redskins), made a classic mistake of wondering aloud about topics that people in public positions aren’t allowed to think about on Twitter. Specifically, his Tweets compared (what he called) “the summer of riots” to January 6th at the U.S. Capitol. As the late, great Alex Trebek would say, Del Rio’s comments were “in the form of a question.”
Faced with media scrutiny about his Tweets, rather than back down, Del Rio referred to January 6th as a “dust-up at the Capitol.”
Can I tell you a trade secret of press flacks? They all have a small can of lighter fluid and a pack of matches within reach behind a piece of glass with the words “break only in the case of emergency” scrawled on it. Certain phrases or words will cause a press person, at great personal danger and sacrifice, to break the glass, douse themselves with the accelerant, and strike a match before flinging their immolating body in front of the podium. Okay, not literally, but I guarantee the Commanders’ public relations director would think this alternative less painful than hearing those words come out of Del Rio’s mouth in front of the press gaggle.
The controversy that followed was swift and certain: as was the reaction from Commanders Head Coach Ron Rivera. He promptly assessed a $100,000 fine on Del Rio for his comments.
Two points here: First, this is not a sports story. Talk Radio observers should be far more concerned with the consequences of this story than NFL or sports fans. Second, it doesn’t matter what you think happened on January 6th. You should still find the fine issued by Rivera chilling, whether you call it an insurrection or a dust-up.
I used to believe that comedian Bill Maher and I were about as far apart on the political spectrum as any two Americans could be. Maher and I, however, hold similar views on freedom of expression.
On his HBO show, “Real Time,” Maher defended Del Rio by saying: “In America, you have the right to be wrong. They fined him; the team fined him $100,000 for this opinion. Fining people for an opinion. I am not down with that.”
Because this is where we meet, I’d like to buy Bill Maher a drink and have a laugh over all the times he’s been wrong, or we can share that drink and a smile for understanding that freedom of expression IS the foundation of democracy – no matter who’s right or wrong. Freedom of expression is an issue where liberals and conservatives must find common ground.
The football team currently known as the Washington Commanders may need another name change. Perhaps the “Comrades” would reflect the team’s philosophy better? Levying such a hefty punishment for stating a political (and non-football) point of view because it is out of step with what is apparently official policy seems more reminiscent of the Politburo’s posture than a free society.
Del Rio’s words are understandably offensive to many. At the very least, they were ham-handed for someone who has been in the public spotlight for so long. But a $100,000 fine? Stifling political opinion is far more dangerous than anything Del Rio said.
Taking the Del Rio incident into context with the “Cancel Culture” of the past few years, Talk Radio hosts should look over their shoulders. Del Rio is also an excellent reminder to think twice before posting a politically unpopular opinion on social media.
Inflation has eaten away at the value of a penny and increased the cost of making politically incorrect statements, including on the air in recent years. What inhibits individuals from expressing their thoughts, beliefs, opinions, and emotions is a threat to Talk Radio and democracy.
Joe Pags’ Dream to Work In Media Started Early
Pags knew a career in media was for him ever since he was ten years old, even before his vocal chords did.
If you’ve ever been required to interview someone for a segment or article, you know pretty quickly when it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
Joe Pags was answering my initial questions as freely as Ebeneezer Scrooge hands out Krugerrands. Teeth have been pulled from the human head with greater ease. It just wasn’t happening.
After a few minutes, I think I grew on him.
I discovered we actually had a few things in common; both of us lived in Lake Worth, Florida, we knew a lot of the same places and faces, and we both understood that summer heat in Florida is like purgatory.
However, Pags and I will both have a fond devotion to The Noid. We will always share the memories of being a manager at Domino’s Pizza.
“I worked at Domino’s when pizzas were delivered to your door within 30-minutes, or it was free,” Pags said. “After a while they went to 30 minutes or three dollars off the price. Too many people were getting into accidents trying to beat the clock.”
What Pags did not mention was that even when you legitimately made it in less than 30 minutes, you had people questioning your delivery time. I guess that’s human nature.
Soon, pizzas were just for eating, not working; Pags started his radio career in 1989 in Palm Beach County, Florida.
After that, it was a stint as a television anchor from 1994-2005 in Saginaw, Michigan, and then Albany, New York. From there he was called back to radio and landed at the Clear Channel Talk Flagship, WOAI, in 2005. The Joe Pags Show has been a fan favorite since its debut in 2005.
For Pags, the media dream started early on.
“I grew up listening to talk radio at a very young age and was determined to make my living doing it one day,” Pags says. “I actually have a tape somewhere on which I erased the DJ’s voice and recorded mine over the songs.”
Pags is probably thrilled that the tape will never be released.
Years later, he found he could pay the bills doing something he loved. “I’m lucky enough to work with great people on both local, and national radio and television,” Pags explained.
“I also remember Steve Cain, Rick, and Suds on that station,” Pags said. “It was a lot of talk radio, but it was fun. It was entertainment. Rush Limbaugh was doing the politics stuff back then.”
Pags knew a career in media was for him ever since he was ten years old, even before his vocal chords did.
“When my voice changed at 13, I developed more of a bass tone; I knew I was on my way. I had a New York accent and had to shake that.”
Before he embarked on a career in radio, his music career was going well. Pags played French horn and saxophone; apparently, he was pretty good.
He played gigs at the prestigious Breakers Hotel, among many others. “I used to play at the Backstage lounge adjacent to the old Burt Reynolds Dinner Theater in Jupiter,” Pags said.
No word on whether Reynolds ever caught Pags live or not.
As a kid, he played baseball. Pags said he was pretty good. What took center stage for Pags was music. It was the French horn and saxophone that captured his heart.
“I played professionally on the Empress Dinner Cruise on the Intracoastal Waterway,” Pags said. “I also did gigs at The Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach. We made some good money.”
Before Domino’s and radio and music, it all started with a strong desire to succeed. That often comes from your family’s belief in you. Sometimes it’s not there.
“I knew that if I worked hard enough, if I showed the love for the work I was doing, then I’d succeed,” Pags said.
His family lived in Lake Worth, Florida, from 1973-74, and Pags returned every so often. “I got back to Florida recently when I went to Mara Lago and watched 2,000 Mules.”
San Antonio has been home for the past 17 years for Pags and his family. “I’ve been here at WOAI. I’ve got my own studio in a great area.” His daughter Sam is his executive producer. I asked Pags if there was any nepotism when it came to hiring Sam.
“Darn right, there is nepotism,” he said. “This is Joe Pags media. I get to hire whoever I want,” he quipped. “Sam has always had a love of broadcasting. When I became syndicated in this business, I told her I trusted her more than anyone else I knew and asked her to produce my show.”
The other day I spoke with Will Cain for a piece. He told me if I visited Austin, I should also see Texas. So I asked Pags what Cain was trying to say. “He means Austin is a city like Portland; only it’s in Texas. There’s a lot of homelessness in Austin. A lot of crime. The University of Texas in Austin goes far to the Left.”
Where does Pags’ tough demeanor come from?
“My father was 100 percent Italian. We had some good pasta dishes around our house with my grandparents around,” Pags explained. “We didn’t have a good bakery in Lake Worth, so I remember my mother and aunts bringing great bread recipes over from the homeland.”
Pags has always been interested in what takes place on the periphery, not just the core of matters. He’s done a lot of things throughout his life. That experience has helped shape his radio show. Pags said his show tends to be white-collar, but he grew up blue-collar all the way.
“I liked the Superman movies. I enjoyed Rocky,” Pags explained. “As a car-buff, I loved the Burt Reynolds films with Smokey and the Bandit. Stuff like that.”
Lake Worth, like a lot of other Floridia areas, has been known to be a little rough and tumble. Just watch Cops for a week if you don’t believe me.
Pags said other than a little shoving match at the bus stop, he didn’t encounter much rough stuff. “I was a musician, I wasn’t in that mix. Perhaps a scuffle in little league.”
When he was a teenager, he thought music would be it. “I’d played with some big-hitters at the time, like The Coasters,” Pags said.
“Music career opportunities really didn’t come along as I’d hoped. In some ways, people in the industry were full of it. I still did some freelance work on the saxophone.”
Pags said he was always willing to work for what he got. “I poured coffee and ran errands for $4 an hour,” Pags said. “I had my car repossessed, and got evicted from my apartment. I still kept at it. I never was deterred from what I wanted. I knew what I wanted, but never really expected things to happen the way they did.”
Pags said if some youngster asked how to be what Pags is today, his answer was succinct. “Pour coffee, run errands, whatever you have to do.”
I asked Pags what he does in his downtime? Let’s just say he’s not running to tee-off at 7:00 am with the guys at the club on his day off.
“I’m a domestic sports car guy,” he says with pride. “I’ve got three Corvettes, a Camaro Super Sport. My Camaro was a 1967, red with white stripes. I sold that car so we could afford to adopt our daughter. I got the better end of that deal.”
He doesn’t do any weekend racing on local tracks like other aging Indy wannabes. “I like to look at those cars in the garage,” Pags said. “My dad was a big car guy. My dad is probably why I’ve succeeded in my life and career. Not for the reasons you’d think.”
Pags’ relationship with his father had the typical ups and downs. Same as it is for most men.
“My father didn’t think I’d amount to anything and had no problem relating that to me,” Pags said. “Conversely, my Mom was always extremely supportive of my interests and goals. I knew if you were good at what you did, people would take notice.”
Pags said his father excelled at being a naysayer. A glass is a half-empty kind of guy.
“He was so negative. He thought I’d never succeed at anything,” Pags explained. “I was out of the house at 17, and I was determined to become something. To prove him wrong.”
Before his father passed away, Pags believes his father became aware of a lot of things.
“A light went on in his head, and he was just so surprised I could make a living doing what I did,” Pags explains. “When I became a big enough success, he recognized my drive and determination. I’m still not sure if he was hard on me because he thought it would help me in the end. Whatever his reasoning was, it gave me the drive and determination to see things through.”
Pags’ father became so proud of his son that he’d tell friends Joe was going to be on Fox News and how they should tune in.
“It was my mother, with her ultimate support, that really made me want to succeed. For her,” Pags explained.
“I learned that if someone disparages you or makes you feel small, you have choices. You can go into a shell and take it. Believe what people say. Or you can go out and knock down some doors. If you want me to do something, tell me I can’t do it. Soon I will be syndicated on 200 stations. All that came from believing in myself. I’ll prove it to iHeart. To other broadcasters.”
Pags said at some point; you’ve got to find some kind of edge.
“I knew I wasn’t going to agree with things my father believed and said, just to shut him up. I had to stand up for my own beliefs.”
I can relate to a guy like Pags. He’s got a tough exterior, not easy to crack. But like me, I know in the center is a soft, creamy nougat.
Where Is the Good Stuff?
By the “good stuff, I’m not even referring necessarily to the happy or “feel good” tales of human kindness, child wonderment, or cute puppies.
A couple of stories about bears actually brought me to this declamation of sorts.
What you’ll see (or read, actually) is nothing new and certainly not any type of original complaint or assessment, but as I spend my days digging, crafting, and stacking stories on double homicides, house fires, high gas prices, and low voter turnout, it’s becoming that much more difficult to balance out a newscast with the good stuff.
By the “good stuff, I’m not even referring necessarily to the happy or “feel good” tales of human kindness, child wonderment, or cute puppies. I’m really just talking about the low end of the meter things; an innocuous bill passing, a road-widening project, or maybe even an upgrade in consumer technology somewhere.
We all realize if a show rattles off an unending laundry list of death, destruction, corruption, and high pollen counts, the only winners are therapists, pharmacies, and liquor stores. But it’s no longer as easy as it once was; I mean, I may be overstating for dramatic effect, but at the end of the day, it really does seem like not only are there fewer accounts to raise the serotonin levels, but those we do find cannot sufficiently dilute those newscasts from their continual tales of woe.
To expand my point, I return to the bears.
Over the years, I have come to count on bears, and for a good reason. Most bear content consists of the giant creatures, often with their youngsters in tow, doing things we find cute, intriguing, thought-provoking, and/or hilarious.
If you have never seen a giant black bear rumbling around inside an SUV they’ve just illegally entered or busting into someone’s kitchen and raiding the pantry or the garbage shed, can you even say you have truly lived?
Well, the short answer is you probably can, but I’m the one on the keyboard at the moment, so roll with it for now.
True, those stories often come at the expense of some weary camper, homeowner, or utility worker, but for the audience, it’s generally rejuvenating, even medicinal. A simple Google or social media search will lead you to an overflow of the best of bears in news content. Therefore, as you will see…they trend.
But here’s what has happened of late to turn those stories in a downward direction. Here, in this part of New England, our news stories about bears recently have revolved around them being killed. They destroy some crops or a garden and move on towards somebody’s house, and they get shot. They break into a shed and don’t run off; they get shot. They are euthanized; their cubs get tranquilized for relocation and then don’t wake up. It’s certainly a shift.
Suddenly, we are back to where we started with our content. What was once a sure thing is now added to the dark category of story selection. Still, it is often viable content because it’s a pro and con topic; it has angles and follow-up potential.
Now know this; I am not proposing a referendum involving bears, but rather just offering a long-winded metaphor of sorts.
We do not know when the time-tested default stories are going to turn on us. I do think it will usually happen when our backs are turned. That probably means the digging we do has gone even more profound than before. We cannot always count for all those elements in a story to be out in the open.
Like most of us, I read or at least do a hard scan of a lot of reports, releases, summaries, and everyone else’s take on what’s happening. Fortunately, I can sometimes find fundamental components dropped down further than they ought to be or not allotted enough attention due to time or space constraints.
In police work, these obscure details would often lead to another suspect, another criminal charge, or even an exoneration or a new investigation.
I find little difference in this present position:
A hi-rise building fire is brought under control when the alarm’s sprinkler system douses much of the flames just as fire crews arrive. Now, that’s great, but there’s a bit more upon looking a little deeper.
The sprinklers knocked out the elevators, and firefighters carried a disabled burn victim down 14 flights of stairs.
Part of their job?
Sure, but worth peeling the layers off that onion.
Drivers going the wrong way is another big thing around here. On the interstates, the highways, the local roadways, it’s happening a lot and often, as you might guess, with tragic results. So a driver is taken into custody after going the opposite way on not one but two different thoroughfares within like fifteen minutes.
Good story, good arrest, good write-up.
How did they catch the wrong-way driver?
The trooper turned directly into the driver’s path and took the crash impact to stop him.
Where did we that aspect of the incident?
Paragraph four or three-quarters through the stand-up.
Now, of course, all coverage and treatment of stories is subjective, and the intent here is merely for me to find a way to say I’m not seeing enough or finding enough “good stuff” to balance out my newscast, so I am going to loot and gut everything I can when necessary.
And that’s just on the local side. Do not get me started on the national beat.
I hope it’s not that people are starting to slip on their quota of good deeds, but it has forced me to think and work just a little harder.
It’s disappointing when I cannot even count on the bears anymore.