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John Kincade Only Wants To Do His Show His Way

” I don’t believe there is enough reinvention of the wheel. I hear a lot of the same. I think that younger listeners want different, want to try something different, try different approaches.”

Brian Noe

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Philly is in John Kincade’s blood. The sports radio host grew up in Broomall, Pennsylvania, which is around 12 miles from Philadelphia City Hall. As he puts it, the only team John ever allowed himself to just be a stupid fan for is the Eagles. He once told his daughter, “You can root for whoever you wish in sports, but you will be an Eagles fan.” Gotta love that. It was an unforeseen path back to Philly for John after a quarter-century in Atlanta, but home never felt so good.

John Kincade (@JohnKincade) | Twitter

It’s always interesting to hear about the events that lead a big-time host to their current gig. John’s path, which includes cancer and coaching hockey, stands out especially. John talks about his deep respect for Angelo Cataldi, the radio term that he despises the most, and how Philly has drastically changed since the mid-‘90s. We also touch on his first 100 days back in Philly and John’s greatest feeling in radio. Oh, and hair. We can’t forget about that. Enjoy.

Brian Noe: What’s your sports radio path that has led to where you are now? 

John Kincade: While I was in college and after college I worked for the Philadelphia Flyers doing video and statistics with their coaching staff under Mike Keenan. I also was coaching ice hockey at the time and thought maybe I wanted to be a hockey coach. That’s craziness. But I was working in the business world. When I stopped working for the Flyers, I continued my coaching career but was working in sales and marketing.

Then when sports radio took off, I got involved with Tony Bruno. He was kind enough to have me as his Flyers correspondent when he was at WCAU. That took me to an internship with WIP. My first air shift was awarded to me by Tom Bigby, God rest his soul. The man was just an absolute legend. I was going down to Atlanta with my business, but I wanted to work in sports radio on the weekends. Tom Bigby was kind enough, Tony Bruno, Angelo Cataldi — I did bits on Angelo Cataldi’s show for over three years before I moved to Atlanta. They all spoke on my behalf with Mike Thompson who was at The Fan in Atlanta. They said put this guy on weekends. Mike Thompson put me on weekends because I had a full-time job during the week. I had my foot in both pools.

Eventually I ended up getting cancer twice. I got cancer in ‘95 and then I got cancer again in ‘97. I said in ‘97 when I got sick again, I told my mom, I said if I survive this, I’m going to go work in radio because I was convinced I was going to die. I was like enough of this part-time crap. I’m going to die. I’m not going to see 40. I’m not going to see 45, 50. So why not do what I want to do? I left and I did radio and TV with the Atlanta Thrashers their first year in ‘99. I worked with Steak Shapiro and their crew at 790 The Zone. Then when they relaunched The Fan in 2000, we started Buck and Kincade and I did that for 20 years.

BN: How would you judge your first 100 days in Philly now that you’re back?

JK: I’m extremely happy the way the show has premiered and the way the show has been received. You’re launching something new and we are doing something that is completely foreign to the market as far as the kind of show we do. Thankfully it appears the younger sports radio listeners are flocking to it and loving it. That’s what I love to hear. I’ve been in the business long enough to know what works.

It’s an intimidating thing to come home because you want to do your best. The difference is, instead of an audience listening to me every day, I’ve got at least 150 people that actually know my cell phone number that are listening to the show every day. I have a huge extended family. Within a 10-mile radius I probably have 15 to 20 cousins. I’m constantly getting that immediate feedback. Sort of like you guys at Barrett Sports Media, you have your little focus groups, well guess what, I’ve got a focus group every day on my cell phone.

I came in the door and I told Beasley Media we’re going to create this show and I said we’re going to break some eggs. We’re going to do things differently and we’re going to resist the urge to do exactly what has been done in Philly sports radio forever. And hopefully the audience will be attracted to it, stick with us, spend more time with us. We are very, very pleased with how we’ve premiered.

BN: What’s the biggest difference with your show compared to other shows in Philly?

JK: We probably take around 15 percent of the calls that any other show in the market takes. I’m going to say 15 percent, maybe 20. There are great, successful hosts in this market, some people who are really legends of the game. Guys I compete with like Angelo Cataldi, Mike Missanelli doing afternoon drive on our station, Anthony Gargano who I follow. These are guys who have been here forever and they do their thing. They do what has worked for them and what this community has fallen in love with them for.

I felt I had an opportunity to come in and do something that I had done on the national level for years where I did not take many calls. I did seven years at ESPN Radio with The John Kincade Show and then eight years on CBS Sports Radio. For 15 years I did it and I said okay, I know this works. I didn’t have to be caller driven. I hate the term caller-driven radio. It is the number one pet peeve to me.

When I talk to young people about getting into the business I say look, the world is going toward podcasting. What do we all want to do? We all want to binge watch. We all want to watch a show on our schedule. My wife wants to watch three episodes of one show in one night. I do not. That’s not how I consume media. My wife loves that. I said, well radio is moving in that direction. And guess what you’re not going to have?

What you need to do is you need to entertain. You need to catch people’s attention and entertain. I think relying on caller-driven radio to me is an idea of saying, well I’ve got a show, and I’m asking people to come and listen to my show, but I have no idea what the content is going to be. It’s going to be provided by random people who pick up the phone and call. To me, and just for me, it’s sort of what sports radio was 20 years ago. I don’t believe it’s what young listeners want and I think the numbers are bearing that out.

BN: What’s it like for you to compete against your mentor, Angelo Cataldi?

JK: The respect, admiration, and flat-out love that I have for Angelo Cataldi will never change, has never changed. He was involved every step of the way when I left Atlanta unceremoniously, and was looking for a job. He flat out told me and I’ll quote, he goes, ‘If these people are dumb enough not to hire you, you go and do whatever you gotta do.’ I had other opportunities including satellite radio. Angelo flat out said it to me, he said whatever you got to do, you take care of your family in the way I took care of mine. You worry about your family. You worry about finding a job that works for you.

What I didn’t expect and I’ll be very honest with you, I did not expect that if you had told me the day I found out I was leaving Atlanta, that I was going to be on 97.5 The Fanatic, I wouldn’t have expected it. But I was blown away by their absolute commitment to wanting to shake things up and do some things differently. To feel wanted? Especially when anyone gets told you make too much money, we can’t afford you, so your contract is not being renewed. That was painful to me because I didn’t understand the concept. Buck and Kincade in the South, we had just celebrated our 20-year anniversary on the air in Atlanta. When you get told well we’re going to move on, we’re just going to put an unceremonious end to it, it’s a hit to the ego. It was like I can’t believe this is happening to me.

But to have people with Beasley Media, and Joe Bell who’s the market manager, and Chuck Damico who is the program director, they literally had the most low-key, highly effective sales pitch I’ve ever heard. What do you want to do? What do you want to create here? How do you see this happening? Everything was directed at me. And honestly every single other place I talked to was saying more along the lines of well here’s what we do, and we think you’d be a good fit for what we do. The blank slate is what drew me to The Fanatic. I give them a lot of credit for taking that chance of wanting to do things differently.

BN: Now that you ended up in Philly at a rival station, what impact has that had on your relationship with Angelo?

WIP's Angelo Cataldi was ready to retire. Then Marc Farzetta became a  competitor.
Philadelphia Inquirer

JK: It has not had any impact on it at all. From the moment that I began the job search, three different times during the process of deciding what I was going to do, he was one of my first calls. He counseled me along the way. I bounced some ideas off of him about who was talking to me. He was extremely supportive. The day that I decided to take the job with The Fanatic, my first call was to Angelo Cataldi. I picked up the phone and called him because I owed him that respect.

This is a man who helped me launch my career. He’s a guy who taught me and let me see the bag of tricks. David Copperfield let me backstage and I watched this man. I got to see how he performed some of his magic. I do things a lot differently than Angelo, but one thing I learned from him is that you have to have your vision, create loyalty, create connections with your audience, and nobody’s done that better in this market than Angelo Cataldi, period. Ang and I still talk at times in the five months I’ve been home. We were going to make plans to try to have lunch soon. Hopefully that’s going to happen now that all the COVID stuff has lifted.

I couldn’t be more proud to call him a mentor. I’ve had a few. Howard Eskin was a guy I interned under. Tony Bruno was a huge influencer on me, all these guys. I’m so honored that I ever just got to see them do their craft. But in a weird way, I don’t want to be any of them. I want to be my own way, my own image, my own portrayal of what I want to do and it’s because of seeing guys like that do it their way for so long that I have the ability to say, hey here’s what I want to do. Let’s go do it.

Ang couldn’t be any more gracious, any more of a class act. It’s a mutual admiration. I know he continues to kick ass. He knows I’m coming for him and he’s like okay bring it on, dude. [Laughs] I’m ready for it. It’s great because we refuse to play — Philly loves to play up a thing called radio wars. It’s because there have been personalities who’ve worked in this town who tried to create the radio war. It’s not the ‘90s. It’s not the era of Howard Stern. That’s trite. And more importantly, I don’t believe the audience cares if you like a host at another station or anything like that. That’s like high school lunch table crap to me. It’s something that never attracted me as a listener.

BN: What’s your reaction to Spike Eskin going to WFAN?

JK: Well Spike’s taking over a very prominent office; I’ll tell you that much. I had the pleasure with my network show to get to know Mark Chernoff a bit. Over the past two years, to have Mark Chernoff in my cell phone, and a few times to just be able to say, can I talk to you about something? He’d say, 2 o’clock work? 2:30 work? He always had time for me. Great kindness, great insight into the industry. He’s a freakin’ legend. To have the opportunity to have worked under him for a few years was my honor. He helped me also during the whole job search. ‘That situation might not be the best one for you. You want to work under this kind of management.’ I picked his brain. The guy is a treasure trove of information.

I’ve known Spike a long time. What I know about Spike Eskin is he’s a competitor. I think he’s going to bring a new juice to the network. He’s a guy that I think understands there’s different ways for different guys to approach things and to do their job. I think that CBS Sports Radio will be lucky to have him.

BN: Has Philly changed at all since the first time you did radio there?

JK: I know this town like the back of my hand, and I’ve got to tell you, it’s changed. That’s something that has been one of those fun parts of the first 100 days of the show, is learning that this fan base has changed since I left. It’s different than when I left in the ‘90s. I believe it’s a kinder, gentler fan base. I know anybody hearing that about Philadelphia; they’ll laugh at me. But I would completely disagree having grown up here, and having been a part of these fan bases my entire life. It’s a kinder, gentler fan base.

It’s a fan base where people really get up in their feelings about defending the athlete they love, defending the athlete from criticism. It’s interesting. I think it’s a more introspective fan base than when I left.

Conversations are different. The visceral reaction to things seems more civilized from what I remember in my youth. That has been the wildest part of the journey of getting back home here, has been getting to know my fellow fans again, and getting to know what they think, and how they feel, and how they react. I think it’s a much more relaxed fan base than it was when I left. And I never would have said anything about Philly sports was relaxed when I was growing up. It’s completely different.

BN: What do you think is the best and the worst part of Philly sports radio?

JK: The best part is I believe this market has had some of the greatest long-tenured figures sit behind microphones that have helped to shape narratives, discussions, and fan bases for generations. When you’re talking a Mike Missanelli, and a Howard Eskin, and an Angelo Cataldi; these are icons of the industry that are known countrywide. These are guys that have had major, major success. This is a hotbed of sports radio.

What I think is the worst part about it, I don’t believe there is enough reinvention of the wheel. I hear a lot of the same. I think that younger listeners want different, want to try something different, try different approaches. I think that’s what I would tend to say.

BN: What do you think is the best and worst part of Atlanta sports radio?

JK: [Laughs] Boy, I have a perfect chance there. I think the worst part of it is, in Philadelphia almost every single person turning on their radio is an Eagles fan, Sixers fan, a Phillies fan. I tell the story when I moved to Atlanta in 1995, there were 2.7 million people. When I packed up to come up to Philadelphia, Christmas vacation of this year, there were 6.8 million people in Atlanta; 4.1 million people over a quarter of a century. That’s huge. But what happened is, they didn’t just give birth to four million Falcon fans. It’s Bears fans. It’s Eagles fans. It’s Giants fans. It’s Dolphin fans that come to Atlanta.

Atlanta is a melting pot. It’s a much more difficult place to do a radio show in sports. I can tell you that. People love college football in the South. That’s great. Unfortunately the audience has six or seven different teams that have fan bases in your market. So if you go too specific, it’s a tune out for the other fan bases. And if you go too broad, people don’t hear enough about their team or enough detail, they’re not into it. It’s a very difficult tightrope to walk with the fan bases. Whereas in Philly, a Monday after an Eagles game, the show programs itself.

BN: Are you a guy where scripting teases or parts of the show helps you relax and have fun?

JK: No question. Preparation is what makes me relax and have fun. My wife and daughter call me Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory. They call me Sheldon. And they say it lovingly. But those who have ever worked with me know that there’s a hell of a lot of Sheldon Cooper in me.

I speak my mind. I don’t have a filter. I tell you exactly what I thought about a call, a segment, preparation, whatever; I’m not very good at political correctness or mincing words. It’s probably what has helped me have a good career, but it also makes it hard because everybody that I work with has to work the way I want to work. Because it’s the only way it’s going to work. If I’m going to do the show, we have to prepare the same and we have to have a routine and a regimented approach to things.

BN: What has been one of your favorite all-time memories in your sports radio career?

JK: Oh gosh. I would tell you that I don’t believe anybody in the business has my resume of fill-in hosting. I filled in for Mike Greenberg, Scott Van Pelt, Dan Patrick, Mike Tirico; I filled in four and a half years for Colin Cowherd. I don’t do Mount Rushmore shows, but if you were doing one on national sports radio, you’ve got it right there. And I filled in for all of them.

To sit in their chairs, in front of their mics, do their shows, that will forever be to me the greatest ‘oh my gosh’ feeling of the entire thing. I didn’t start full time in a media career until I was 33. To have accomplished that is truly incredible and absolutely a blessing. Just to think of all those people, and I didn’t mention a bunch of others, I’ve been very, very fortunate to do that.

BN: With as much as you’ve accomplished, is there anything else you’d like to experience?

JK: I want to have just a share of the great success that my mentors have had. Honestly I have missed my national radio audience. For 15 years doing my own show, getting to fill in for all those other great hosts over the years, I’ve missed it. It’s only been five months but I’ve missed it. I think at some point I will venture back into doing a national radio show. That is something I would like to do. But I’ve got a job to do right now. Beasley Media and The Fanatic gave me the keys to a great vehicle and they expect me to drive. They expect me to drive ratings, they expect me to drive revenue, and they expect me to make the entire radio station better. That has to be my focus and that’s my desire. I’m going to teach too. Now that I’m back in Philadelphia, I would love to teach a radio broadcasting class to college kids at my alma mater Temple University. That’s something on my list of things that I want to do.

Students walk past Samuel Paley Library on the Temple University campus, where a student died of a drug overdose on Dec. 1.
Emma Lee/WHYY

BN: Before you go, you’ve got great hair, John. I need any hair advice you have to share.

JK: Redken products. I like the Redken products. When you use a moisturizer, what you’ve got to do, guys, you don’t wash your hair that day. Don’t use shampoo and then use conditioner. Just rinse your hair and use conditioner. You don’t need to shampoo your hair every day. And I would tell guys, embrace your hair color. One thing I will never do is have my fingernails fall off from clinging to my youth.

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The Voices of Mike Gorman and Jack Edwards Will Be Missed in Boston

Gorman’s signature “Got it!” when a Celtics’ player hit a big shot will reverberate in Beantown forever, while Edwards’ “in your face” and “juicy rebound” will elicit smiles for years to come.

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Credit: NY Times (Gorman) Stanley Cup of Chowder (Edwards)

In the span of just a few days, the Boston sports scene bid farewell to a truly dynamic broadcasting duo – two of the region’s most recognizable, beloved, and revered voices.

After 43 years, Mike Gorman is stepping down as the lead play-by-play announcer for the Boston Celtics on NBC Sports Boston. Similarly, after a nearly two decade run, Jack Edwards is leaving his post as Boston Bruins’ play-by-play announcer on NESN. Both men will end their runs after the Celtics’ and Bruins’ local playoff telecasts.

These two Boston icons could not be more diverse in personas – the staid, understated, and even-keeled Gorman, and the brash, feisty, and hot-tempered Edwards. While both of these men have forever planted their flags firmly in Boston media soil, their respective reaches went beyond New England.

Gorman, 76, is a Dorchester, MA native. He began his career at WNBH in New Bedford, MA. He also worked for WPRI in Providence, RI, the PRISM Network, and for NBC covering the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona.

The multi-Emmy award winner was inducted into the New England Basketball Hall of Fame in 2004 and received the 2021 Curt Gowdy Award and was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2021.

Edwards, 67, was born in Evanston, IL and raised in Durham, NH. The University of New Hampshire grad got his first media gig as a morning news producer and reporter at WGIR-AM Radio in Manchester, NH.

He also worked at WMUR-TV in Manchester, WJAR-TV in Providence, WCVB, WHDH, and WRKO radio in Boston, ESPN, and ABC. He did play-by-play for 2002 World Cup and 1995-2002 Little League World Series and won a 1991 Emmy for Sports Reporting at ESPN.   

Gorman was essentially the first ever TV voice of Big East Conference college basketball. Handpicked by Commissioner Dave Gavitt, his smooth tones signaled the dawn of one of the most successful and memorable college hoops conferences in the history of the game.

In the early 1980s it was Gorman‘s voice that became synonymous with amazing players like Patrick Ewing of Georgetown, Chris Mullin of St. Johns,  Pearl Washington of Syracuse, Ed Pinckney of Villanova, and many others. Edwards, meanwhile, was an excellent SportsCenter anchor at ESPN fitting into the clever, slick, and sarcastic style of people like Rich Eisen, Kenny Mayne, Stuart Scott, and Craig Kilborn.

In their Boston broadcast booths, both men fostered unmistakable catchphrases that set them apart from the crowd. Gorman’s signature “Got it!” when a Celtics’ player hit a big shot will reverberate in Beantown forever, while Edwards’ “in your face” and “juicy rebound” will elicit smiles for years to come.

More than just broadcasters, Gorman and Edwards were as Boston as a lack of parking and bar hopping on Boylston Street. They were not just welcomed into viewers’ living rooms. They were actually a part of the living room, like a time-worn recliner or a coffee table ingrained with bottom of the glass stains.

Both men also enjoyed epic runs with longtime color analysts. Most recently, Gorman was working with Brian Scalabrine, but for 39 years, he cultivated one of sports’ longest running broadcast teams alongside Basketball Hall of Famer Tom Heinsohn who passed away in 2020.

Heinsohn was as demonstrative, loud, and boisterous as Gorman is serene, tranquil, and halcyon. Still, the pair flourished together. Gorman tells a story of how he had prepared voluminous game notes for his first broadcast with Heinsohn. Before the opening tip, Heinsohn grabbed the notes, tore them up, and threw them into the Boston garden ether. As Gorman relates, Heinsohn wanted the pair to talk about what they saw on the court, not on a piece of paper.

Edwards’ NESN partner, former NHL player Andy Brickley, is one of the best hockey color analysts not only in Boston, but on the national scene as well. The pair worked in smooth synchronicity like a center and winger on the ice. Edwards was unafraid to criticize, bristle, and chastise opposing players while Brickley reeled things in knowing the game inside, outside, over, under, through, and any other preposition you can choose. 

Like any good play-by-play and color analyst team, Gorman and Heinsohn and Edwards and Brickley complemented each other tremendously. Use whatever comparison you want, the Yin and Yang, words and music, or peanut butter and jelly. Although with Edwards, there may have been a little bit of Fluffernutter in there as well. 

Many would say that it is easier to create a lasting broadcast presence locally than nationally. I beg to differ. In fact, it is even more difficult especially in four sport, hardscrabble, gritty, and often pessimistic cities like Boston, New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia.

Both Edwards and Gorman had pretty impressive predecessors.  Men like Bob Wilson, Fred Cusick, Dale Arnold, and others graced the Boston Garden calling Bruins games. Similarly, the likes of Len Berman, Roger Twibell, Bob Cousy, Glenn Ordway, and others called Celtics hoops over the years.

It takes longevity, work, talent, and time to create the legends that are Mike Gorman and Jack Edwards. I had the pleasure of interviewing both men on a number of occasions over the years and talking to them off air was no different than listening to them on air.

Gorman is the epitome of class and cooperation – extremely conversational and wonderful in sharing an open exchange of thoughts. Edwards is a bit more of a wild child – ultra candid, unapologetic, and willing to go places others would not dare tread.

Gorman perfectly balanced his role as narrator, pace setter, and straight man for the explosive personalities of Heinsohn and Scalabrine. I once asked him about his style and he answered, “I try to be non-intrusive, hopefully adding to the viewing experience without interrupting it. A little humor every now and then helps, and knowing when to be quiet is all important. Play-by-play is supposed to be spontaneous, not planned.”

When Edwards took over full-time duties as the Bruins’ TV voice on NESN in 2007, I asked him the same question, and he replied, “The model play-by-play guy is very vanilla. I’m a Heath bar crunch sundae. I am good at getting the facts, but I always try to convey something on another level, and that has gotten me into a lot of hot water. I am intense. My job is to identify the drama in a game and relate it to the viewer.”

Amen to both. Edwards’ perch high above rink side and Gorman’s courtside seat will be filled by young broadcasters who will stake their claims and establish their legacies, but they will never be Mike Gorman or Jack Edwards, two men whose styles, while different, were similarly captivating.

And while they will no longer sidle up to the microphone or slap on the headset, their echoes live. Old broadcasters never truly go away. Their voices remain in the sports’ consciousness, like a Larry Bird jump shot, a Bobby Orr goal, or remnants of cigar smoke wafting through the Boston Garden rafters.

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MLB Central Stays at the Center of the Action

“I think for me, the beauty of what we do is the fact now that the chemistry between the three of us is so strong.”

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(Illustration) Robert Flores, Lauren Shehadi, Mark DeRosa; "MLB Central" Logo – Courtesy: MLB Network | Studio 21 – Courtesy: Clickspring Design

As the sun takes its respite on the East Coast, Mark DeRosa is wide awake and locked in on the slate of Major League Baseball games across the country. There are usually no more than 15 games occurring on a given night, and he makes sure to select two or three contests on which to place extra emphasis and scrutinize ahead of MLB Central the next morning.

Once the clock strikes around 10 p.m. EST, he is on the phone with members of the production team at MLB Network to share his observations and deliberate potential topics. In addition to preparing for conversations with MLB Central co-hosts Lauren Shehadi and Robert Flores for the next morning, he also works to compile a nuanced, precise breakdown. Reaching the final product that airs on television in front of the display in Studio 21, however, takes collaboration and synergy from several different departments.

The breakdowns DeRosa presents are not always centered on clear highlights, but rather the granular details that affect causation with the potential to shift an outcome. In combining quantitative and qualitative means of study, he has established a reputation as a sharp baseball luminary with a production mindset.

“I always feel like my breakdowns and my analysis to be deeper than what you’re going to get in a highlight package,” DeRosa said. “There might be a pitch in the fourth inning that didn’t get called. There might be a stolen base in the fifth inning that no one saw that doesn’t show up necessarily in the box scores or plays that don’t show up necessarily in the box scores that I know have massive effects on the way the manager manages the rest of the game [and] the way the players attack the rest of the inning, so that’s how I try and approach it.”

DeRosa played college baseball at the University of Pennsylvania before embarking on a 15-year MLB career. The journey across the big leagues took him to various organizations, including the Atlanta Braves, Texas Rangers and Chicago Cubs, and firmly entrenched at a confluence of varying approaches tailored towards a common broad end goal. Communicating with perennial All-Star sluggers such as Chipper Jones, Albert Pujols and Michael Young added and refined his philosophy on hitting. DeRosa aims to convey these esoteric principles to viewers of MLB Central as he dissects the game.

“I just try and take you inside the mind of the great players,” DeRosa said. “I was a role player for a long time in my career, and I sat on the bench and had a firsthand experience with Hall of Fame pitchers and Hall of Fame managers and just kind of picked their brains throughout the course of the early parts of my career to try and formulate a plan and understand what they were thinking.”

When MLB Network revealed that it was going to be debuting a daily morning show on its airwaves, DeRosa was not sure how the logistics of such an endeavor were going to work. Matt Vasgersian had experience in the timeslot working as a co-host on Hot Stove during the offseason, which in turn allowed DeRosa to feel that he could stick to his baseball analysis in its early stages.

“When that red light’s on, I’m no different than when it comes off,” DeRosa said. “Everyone who’s ever played with me knows that. My heart’s in the right place; I’m not jealous; I’m proud of my career.”

Lauren Shehadi Rises Through the Ranks

From the onset of MLB Central, DeRosa has worked alongside Lauren Shehadi and observed her deft knowledge and professionalism. Shehadi remembers being present at Oriole Park at Camden Yards when Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr. played in his 2,131st consecutive game, breaking the historic games-played streak of Lou Gehrig. A 20-minute standing ovation and significance of the feat catalyzed her to find a way to stay around the sport in perpetuity.

In order to pursue her dream, Shehadi attended the University of Florida and immediately began to hone her craft. While attending school, she worked as an overnight editor at Suncoast News Network and also had production responsibilities, including listing birthdays and the winning lottery numbers. During her formative years in the business, she accidentally gave the wrong person a $250 lottery winning, an aberration that caused her to think she was not cut out for the role. Despite the blunder, Shehadi persisted and worked with the outlet’s sports director to create content for her demo reel, which she then sent to hundreds of broadcast outlets around the country.

“It’s so interesting because I was a waitress when I was young, and I always feel like you need to be a waitress to understand how to be a good guest at a restaurant,” Shehadi said. “You have to know what that waitress or waiter is doing and what they’re going through to understand how to be a kind guest at a restaurant. I feel the same way in television production.”

Working as a co-host on MLB Central is a role Shehadi considers a labor of love, but it took repetitions and a willingness to improve to be considered for such an opportunity. Despite being nervous to relocate to Minot, N.D. to begin her job at KXMC-TV, the outlet’s news director, Jim Olson, turned out to be an invaluable mentor. He helped her inject personality into the newscast while keeping the stories focused on the subject matter.

As a weekend sports anchor and weekday sports reporter, Shehadi would travel to capture footage from local sporting events and bring it back to the station. There was one instance when she carried her camera into Saskatchewan, Canada to film a junior varsity ice hockey game and then drove back, always ensuring her station wagon was fueled.

“You had to fill up your sole tank of gas because it was that cold,” Shehadi recalled. “If your car stalled out, you’d die of hypothermia, so you had to have full gas wherever you went. You had to be aware [and] you had to plug in your car at night.”

As Shehadi became more experienced in the industry, she cultivated versatility and built her skillset across different platforms of dissemination. While working for CBS Sports as a contributor to its website and college sports network, she learned how to convey information in a compendious manner and express her opinions.

From there, Shehadi secured an audition for MLB Network and perceived that she did not know as much about the game as was necessary. Because of this, she safeguarded against oblivion and studied every player, manager and ballpark around the league. In developing this erudition, she also combatted initial apprehension about speaking while listening to a talkback feed in her ear during a show.

“Why is Freddie Freeman so good at the plate? Because he’s able to slow the moment down,” Shehadi said, “and I think as broadcasters, that’s what you try to do. I think in my early years at MLB Network, I wasn’t able to [do that], and I work on it every day still.”

MLB Network Lauren Shehadi Preparation Sheet
Courtesy of MLB Network

Displaying propensity and intelligence for baseball is not only achieved by accruing knowledge, but also a cognizance of when to ask questions. Shehadi considers herself a casual baseball fan and contributes to an environment that encourages open conversation and dialogue.

When former first baseman Carlos Peña referenced high-probability swings during his analysis, she thought she knew what it meant but was not entirely certain. Since she played softball and studied the game, she assumed that there could be someone watching from afar who may not know as well. As a result, she decided to ask Peña to confirm what entailed the concept he was discussing.

“I was just literally crossing my fingers in hopes that I wouldn’t end up on YouTube where it’s, ‘See, this girl that hosts a baseball show doesn’t know what this is,’ and he said, ‘You know, it’s a good question,’” Shehadi recalled. “I thought, ‘Okay.’ He said, ‘The bat stays through the zone [for] a longer time,’ which is what I thought it was. But you don’t always know, and the beauty of our show is that he can answer that question and someone at home learned something that day.”

Akin to DeRosa, Shehadi watches several baseball games simultaneously every night using her phone and television. Once the new day commences, she views Quick Pitch to see the rest of the action, reads articles on the league website and studies the network’s research packet. At the same time, she considers the discussions and perceptions made about players, some of whom come into the studio for live appearances.

Robert Flores’ Road to the Show

When Matt Vasgersian became the new play-by-play announcer for Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN, the MLB Network morning program named Robert Flores as the new co-host of the show. Flores, who formerly worked at ESPN, had been employed by MLB Network since 2016 hosting a variety of programming. DeRosa stated that he has brought a different element to the show through his love of the Houston Astros, leverage of social media and humorous witticisms. 

“I feel like Robert Flores kind of ties it all in a bow with his ability to host and his one-liners, and I just think [MLB Central] gives the fan at home everything they would need with a smile on their face,” DeRosa said. “They laugh, they learn and they can enjoy a nice breakfast and a cup of coffee and enjoy the visuals.”

Flores began his career while at the University of Houston, working as an associate producer within the KHOU sports department. From the beginning, he could ascertain the speed of the newsroom and adapted his workflow to fit in the breaking-news environment. Being amongst industry professionals within a top-10 marketplace prepared him to transition to Monroe, La. out of school with limited resources in a smaller locale.

From there, Flores moved to Waco, Texas to serve as the sports director for KWTX-TV where he was responsible for managing personalities under a departmental aegis. He worked in the same role later in Austin, Texas at KEYE-TV while also continuing to garner repetitions as a reporter. The experiences within his formative years in the industry helped shape him into a professional with the sagacity and foresight to plan ahead and optimize a roster of on-air personalities and production personnel.

“It’s managing people from it’s simplest things like scheduling to the more complicated, intrapersonal and taking into considerations what others’ needs and what their wants are as well and trying to kind of fit it all under the same direction of what you want your sports department to be and things like that, so it was a great experience,” Flores said. “Again, I met so many great people along the way and so many that I’m still friendly with and keep in touch with every now and then.”

Flores endured challenges within the industry when he lost his job in 2004 and ended up being out of work for six months. Four years earlier, he had lost his father and was trying to combat the trauma associated with both outcomes.

As he continued the job search, Flores began to think about alternatives and considered exploring the real estate and insurance industries. He remembers asking his wife if he should change career paths, and she urged him to give the process more time and remain patient. Everything changed when his agent called to deliver the news that ESPN was interested in hiring him for a job on the network, and he was able to inform his son minutes later when he arrived home from school.

While Flores enjoyed his time anchoring SportsCenter and contributing to other programming at ESPN, the era was different in that social media was not embedded within the fabric of modern society. Although he joined MLB Network in 2015 and was known by its viewers across programming, there existed a risk that moving to MLB Central could cause him to suffer from imposter syndrome. After all, Flores was expecting harsh criticism upon his debut on the show; however, he entered the role unfazed and focused on delivering for the audience.

“In today’s society especially, I think fans are more apt to not like something, and I get it,” Flores said. “Matt Vasgersian was very popular [and] remains very popular with our fanbase… and I know there was some skepticism about me joining the show. I saw all of the, ‘Where’s Matty V?’ tweets and, ‘This guy stinks,’ and, ‘Get him off,’ and I understood it.”

In the five years that Flores has been part of the show, he has let his personality flourish and shared different ways he interacts with the game, including through playing MLB The Show video game series. Playing the simulation game over the years has helped him become more familiar with major-league rosters and prospects, granting him additional context and a different lens through which to talk about the league.

“To be fair, I do like to shoehorn dropping my Twitch handle and my Facebook page where I do my video game streams,” Flores explicated, “but I think it’s kind of looked at as kind of if I can get a joking eye roll from Lauren or from someone that says, ‘Hey, way to make the ‘reference’ to your gaming channel,’ I think it’s part of my charm, and I say that tongue-in-cheek.”

The Morning Commute

The composition of MLB Central as a studio show contrasts many of its counterparts in that it utilizes more hosts than analysts. Shehadi and Flores both view their role to serve as point guards to set up DeRosa for success in disseminating his opinions and insights.

“I think for me, the beauty of what we do is the fact now that the chemistry between the three of us is so strong,” DeRosa said. “I honestly know how to get Robert going, I know how to get Lauren going and vice-versa that I think the people at home – although I’m the former player that’s going to give the opinion – I still think that they’ve built this relationship at home with the three of us.”

The show also champions diversity and inclusivity, inspiring the next generation and trying to serve as role models. Flores is of Mexican-American descent and is honored when aspiring professionals reach out to share their gratitude for his work and how he represents what is possible. As a woman in the industry, Shehadi is aware of the misogyny and intransigence that can be faced, but she knows that there is respect for her work and that she belongs. Everyone on MLB Central is accepting of one another and attributes part of its success to strong chemistry.

Studio 21 is somewhat like Grand Central Station, especially since it houses multiple studio programs in addition to MLB Central, some of which include MLB Now and Quick Pitch. For Shehadi and DeRosa, it is one of their destinations on the travel itinerary, which involves both of them taking multiple flights per week.

Every week following the Tuesday morning show, Shehadi flies to Atlanta, Ga. to host studio coverage for MLB on TBS with Curtis Granderson, Pedro Martínez and Jimmy Rollins. Whereas MLB Central will focus on all 30 teams, MLB on TBS studio coverage primarily discusses teams featured within its Tuesday night doubleheader on its Pregame and Closer editions of the show. While Shehadi is in the TNT Sports studio, she is watching every game around the league and feels the most prepared for MLB Central the following morning. The key through it all is endurance and stamina, but she does not take the multifaceted role for granted.

“I feel so blessed to be able to do it, and it’s not lost on me that I get to host both,” Shehadi said, “so I just pray for no delayed flights and pray that I get everywhere on time.”

Similar to taking an extended road trip as an MLB player, DeRosa flies to the New York metropolitan area every week to be in studio for MLB Network. After the Friday morning show though, he boards a flight to return home to spend time with his family and coach his son’s baseball team. While he is away for the weekend, he still remains connected to the show by reviewing previous episodes and finding areas where he can improve, akin to a baseball player reviewing film.

“I like it when we go off-script occasionally – when we’re laughing; when things get a little funny at times and then we’re able to rein it in,” DeRosa said. “So I think for me, the idea of a good show to be honest with you is if I can get the people behind the cameras to start laughing, I usually think we’re doing something right.”

Flores believes that DeRosa is one of the most talented studio analysts in sports television and does not receive as much credit as he deserves in this regard. In formulating and constructing his breakdowns with the understanding of what will stand out to viewers with fluctuating interest levels and aptitude towards the sport, DeRosa tries to appeal to everyone. Last spring, he served as the manager of Team USA during the World Baseball Classic and had a chance to foster deeper relationships with several star players such as Mike Trout, Paul Goldschmidt and Mookie Betts. In turn, he discovered more about their personalities and work ethic.

“I thought Paul Goldschmidt – he is, he’s a silent assassin – but when I gave my first meeting the first day we met as a group, as soon as I finished, he asked me if he could address the team,” DeRosa recalled. “I did not expect that, so I walked away with a completely different mindset of [who] Paul Goldschmidt was.”

Beyond the Box Score

DeRosa, Shehadi and Flores provide authentic commentary about the topics at hand within a casual environment geared towards viewers with varying levels of proficiency and experience in baseball. The program attempts to spotlight as many different MLB teams as possible on the show and recognize the parity and emerging young talent within the game; however, there are signature teams discussed more often because of recent success. While MLB Central is situated in the mornings, the segments and topics are not proprietary to that daypart and could effectively function in different areas of the schedule.

“I think there’s a very fine line walking the three kinds of tenants if you will of informing and providing context and entertaining,” Flores said. “I think you’ve kind of got to be very careful not to do one more of the other, but I really think that our show is portable, I really do.”

Although MLB Central does not implement live callers from consumers akin to sports talk radio, it still finds ways to interact with the audience and impart sentiments of conviviality and revelry. Whether it be through poll questions or replies to a segment earlier in the program, there is a recognition and respect for consumers watching across multiple platforms.

“We have a bunch of really great viewers who have been with us for almost a decade, and we constantly highlight them on X,” Shehadi said. “We constantly put their tweets on the screen, and some of them we disagree with all the time.”

DeRosa, Shehadi and Flores hosted their 750th episode of MLB Central last summer and all remain committed to the program. Everyone leaves their ego at the door and approaches the show in a manner resembling a player arriving at the ballpark for a game.

Concurrent with rules changes across Major League Baseball that led to augmented attendance, greater offensive output and a hastened pace of play, MLB Central remains aware of the latest innovations in sports media and looks to continue innovating within the dynamic landscape. Although there is an early wake-up call to arrive at the studio and prepare beforehand, DeRosa, Shehadi and Flores are able to effectuate a morning show of which they are proud and hope to continue for years to come.

“I love what we have both on screen and maybe more importantly what our show unit has off screen,” Flores said. “It’s a very collaborative effort. We have so many talented men and women behind the scenes in our research department; in our control room; from the producer to the director to our assignment desk, [which] plays a vital role in booking guests. It’s just everyone pulling in the same direction. I can honestly say it’s the most enjoyable professional experience I’ve ever had.”

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Advertising Strategy for 24/7 Businesses

With lower ad costs aimed at the audience who makes staying open late worth it, you can be ringing in the profits on the night shift.

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If you have prospects who are open for business between Midnight and 5 am, why not have them make it worthwhile and help them develop an advertising strategy? They might be surprised how inexpensive it can be.

Many companies operate 24/7:

– Convenience stores, gas stations, and truck stops.

– Fast food chains like Taco Bell, Jack in the Box, and McDonalds.

– Hospitals and Emergency Care clinics.

– Hotels, motels, and grocery stores.

– Airports, bus depots, and cabs.

With an effective marketing strategy, “it’s gonna be all right on the night shift.” Here are some insights and tips to give these prospects to help them attract and retain customers to their 24/7 business:

Understand the Night Owl

At night, customers seeking services or products often prioritize convenience, speed, and availability. Sometimes, price isn’t the controlling factor, nor is it even the best quality they seek. Make offers and go to market with these needs to better cater to your target audience and keep them returning for more.

Advertise: Digital Billboards

Digital billboards are great for visibility, especially at night when there’s less competition for attention. Consider strategically placing advertisements along busy freeways or nightlife hotspots to capture the attention of passersby and promote your business’s offerings and operating hours. If you can buy :15 ads on Times Square in NYC for $40, you may be shocked at what you will pay locally for rotating ads from Midnight to 5 am. 

Radio Ads on the Cheap

Radio is a powerful medium for reaching customers during the late-night hours. Larry King was America’s most listened-to-talk radio program in the late 80’s. For 16 years, he broadcast live between Midnight and 5:30 am from coast to coast. Select radio stations with programming tailored to your target audience’s preferences and air ads during peak nighttime listening hours. Pop music stations for night clubbers at 2 am or News Talk for late-night drivers wanting to stay engaged. Give incentives to overnight listeners to visit your business NOW. While the audience may only be 10% of the daytime crowd, so are the prices. And let’s face it, if they are driving and listening to the radio, that’s your #1 prospect! Expect rates at most stations under $25 per commercial in major cities and less in other areas. Promote late-night specials, highlighting convenience and speed of service. If you are a hospital, airport, or bus company, brand your business with the overnighters, reminding them you are open when they need you.

Mobile Digital Advertising

Target potential customers in the vicinity of your business during late-night hours. Use geotargeting to deliver ads to mobile phone users in high-traffic areas like concerts, ballgames, or nightlife districts. Drive foot traffic right through your front door. Promote time-sensitive offers or exclusive late-night deals through mobile ads. Don’t expect a price break, though, when purchasing them.

Easily Monitoring KPI’s

Regularly monitor the performance of your efforts and adjust as needed. Your late-night business is probably way less than daytime, and tracking key metrics such as foot traffic, sales, and customer feedback will be easier. If an offer is working on your radio campaign, look into buying more stations and cut back on areas that don’t work. Apply the 70-20-10 rule to your ad budget.

With lower ad costs aimed at the audience who makes staying open late worth it, you can be ringing in the profits on the night shift.

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