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Brett Winterble is the King of Queen City Talk Radio

BNM sat down with Brett Winterble to discuss his journey, the role news/talk stations play in local communities, and reflect on his memories of Rush Limbaugh.

Ryan Hedrick

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Charlotte radio host Brett Winterble has a special connection to his new community. Winterble recently celebrated his second year at WBT Charlotte’s News Talk. His tenure there began shortly before the world was turned upside down by the COVID-19 pandemic.

The versatile radio veteran has traveled all over the country, perfecting his craft. Winterble was raised in Far West Texas, went to school in the Northeast, and has worked at radio stations in Boston, New York, Los Angeles, and San Diego.

Winterble – an elite talk show host who once filled in for the late Rush Limbaugh whom he used to work for and who he credits in helping him find his way in the business – was tapped by renowned programmer Mike Schaffer to replace legendary WBT host John Hancock who retired after an illustrious run in the Queen City.

During a 20-show trial, Winterble proved to his bosses that he possessed the ability to connect with his callers on a deep level. His understanding of how to draw parallels between national stories and localize them proved uncanny in the hiring process.

Winterble has really embraced his journey. Shortly after officially accepting his current gig, the coronavirus forced the world to a halt. What did that mean for Winterble? The position he accepted and his duties were altered as WBT used its powerful signal and strong community ties to help businesses stay afloat and the community remains informed. Local radio shined during this time, and WBT was no exception.

Barrett News Media recently sat down with Winterble to gain some perspective on his journey, discuss the critical role news/talk stations play in their local communities, and reflect on his memories of the greatest talk radio host of all time, Rush Limbaugh.

What makes WBT Radio unique?

It is an honor to be at WBT Radio, a station that means so much to the Southeast and a station with such a legacy. We are about to celebrate our centennial anniversary. WBT employs special people who believe in great radio, love their community, and are dedicated to their craft. I consider myself very fortunate to have this opportunity; I couldn’t be happier.

What were you doing before you came to WBT?

I was doing an afternoon drive show in beautiful San Diego, California, on then-KFMB and was enjoying myself immensely. I received a call from Mike Schaefer, Program Director, WBT Radio, who told me that they were looking to fill the opening left by WBT Hall-of-Famer John Hancock. It was a great opportunity; I got to sit in for about 15-20 shows, and they offered me a chance to come in and do a PM drive show, and I absolutely jumped at it. 

During that period, how did you approach doing a show in a market that you weren’t completely familiar with?

Even though I was physically doing a show from my home studio on the West Coast, I was mentally present in Charlotte. I had been to Charlotte several times; I was familiar with the landscape and the city, and I was able to project that.

The beauty of living in an interconnected world is that you can find stories that are relevant in several different places. Great radio is about connecting with the audience one-on-one, and that’s what I was able to do.

How did you find your identity as a conservative news/talk host?

I’ve never self-declared, hey I’m a conservative talk show host. I’m a husband, I have a couple of teenagers, and I believe in relating to the audience.

I believe most people live their lives in a little bit of a conservative way; they want to have money in their pockets, they want to have strong family values, they want to provide, they want to do charity. Those are transcendent values, right? So, I believe if you live those values and behave those values, it comes through to the audience.

How should talk radio stations position themselves as the information age evolves?

How does any radio station build that audience and connect to that audience? The answer is simple; building your local audience and leveraging local relationships. In the world of talk radio, I think we tend to think of it in the national picture.

Much of my show is looking at the national landscape and then cross-applying to what’s happening locally, how it’s relevant, and getting context in that regard. The beauty of talk radio is the ability to impact the local community with local talk.

You started at WBT at the beginning of the pandemic; what was that like?

I came to Charlotte in February of 2020. I sat down with then-GM Matt Hanlon and our PD Mike Schaefer, and we had this whole plan to roll me out and meet the community. I got to go to one Hornets game, and then COVID hit. I remember how much work our hosts did on WBT to build equity with our audience during the pandemic. I was the new guy replacing a legend. Our WBT team dug in hard to the community.

Businesses that were suffering, we created a hotline for them to call in to pass along any information that they needed to. We went 6-7 days a week doing COVID coverage and doing news/talk coverage. That was a core component of what WBT does, and I was so happy to slip into that glove.

How did Rush Limbaugh influence you?

Rush Limbaugh was the single most dominant broadcaster that I have ever come across in my life and could not have been a gentler, better person than you would have expected. He was incredibly generous and incredibly charitable.

I first started working with Rush Limbaugh as a 25-year-old who had joined his syndication company before he was working with Premiere [Networks]. The thing that I took from Rush was to pursue my dreams. Rush was fired seven times, and he was proud of the fact that every time they thought he was down, he just kept growing to be a stronger talent and a better person. 

One of the interesting storylines on my journey was the first day that I filled in on WBT was the day Rush announced that he had stage 4 lung cancer. I was handed that information at :50 past the last hour of his program. I’m sitting there, and I’m listening to this, and I’m hearing what he is saying, and this is my friend. I had no idea he was ill. 

To hear that [announcement] and to know that in four minutes, I was going to go live on WBT. It would be one full calendar year later that I would be coming into my first full year anniversary at WBT that Rush passed away. The idea that I would be sitting in that seat that I was trying out for, and I had been blessed to fill in for him while he was still alive, is not a moment that was lost on me.

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A Message to News/Talk Radio Professionals: Go to the Sales Meeting

Having open lines of communication with sales can only help.

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It isn’t often that you can make a news/talk radio analogy by using a popular movie, but here we go. In the Judd Apatow classic, Knocked Up, Katherine Heigl’s character goes into labor, and Jay Baruchel’s character walks in to see how things are going. Well, the scene is absolutely chaotic, and after blood-curdling screams from Heigl for him to get out, he scrambles out of the room.

Rattled, Baruchel’s character returns to the waiting room, saying, “I shouldn’t have gone in there. Don’t go in there.

“Promise me you won’t go in there.”

Kinda like your experience going to a sales meeting?

Funny, right?

In media, it’s always seemed to be a cliché thing: On-air talent doesn’t quite get sales, and sales doesn’t quite get the on-air side.

On-air folks, almost to a person, can never understand why everything isn’t sold all the time.

“This is such a good segment, it should be so easy to sponsor.”

“Sports, everybody sponsors sports.”

“We should get (Insert local business) to sponsor us. They’re a perfect fit. I don’t get it.”

Guilty as charged on at least two of those exact statements.

After breaking down the wall this week and going to a sales meeting, I am here to urge everyone in production or on the air — go to a meeting.

It will do a few things. First, it will confirm that you belong right where you are. It also will confirm that the sales job is far from an easy job.

The reason for my visit was to update the crew on what we were up to, and then, the head of the station group presented us with a refresh of all the sales material.

I recommend you give it a try.

In all seriousness, having open lines of communication with sales can only help. Back when I was an actual journalist, I would refuse this kind of contact, as if it would somehow jeopardize my integrity.

Now?

Well, clearly, that’s been out the door for quite some time. Oh yeah, be serious. It’s obvious that in order to what I call “survive with the chance to thrive”, we need to work together.

They succeed, we stay on the air doing the most fun job we’ve ever had.

A few things will humble you from the experience, while the language of discourse will absolutely confound you.

Here’s how, starting with humble.

I am notorious for taking certain things personally. You can rip me, rip the show, even make fun of my hair! No problem. But if you don’t call me back? After a second call? That’s personal.

I may write you off forever.

It’s a blind spot, I know … but it’s pretty true. I’ve grown to the point where I can overcome it, especially if the person eventually calls me back, yet it really irks me to the core when people can’t return a call.

In the sales meeting, I expressed some frustration over not being able to contact a potential guest, and one sales rep came back with (paraphrase): “It can take 17 calls to make a connection.”

17? 17!

If you doubt it, all I will say is that the collective response to that statement felt like “Praise Be!”

I could never eat that kind of humble pie.

Then, there was the language, oh, the language. Not F-Bombs but acronyms. For everything.

NTR. CNA. KPI. DOMO. IQP. DJT. Ok, DJT is Donald J. Trump, but the rest are real, I promise.

I was the only person there who had no idea what was being said. It was dizzying.

After all the lingo and humble pie that needed to be eaten to sell stuff, I realized how positive the whole thing was for both sides.

I got the chance to talk to the crew beyond the flippant “Hello” while walking past their offices. I also learned how they felt about the show. About the station. About me.

That was both validating, sobering, and ultimately energizing.

Yes, it lasted almost three times the length of my one required regular weekly meeting. Yes, there were times that I thought I was in a foreign land. And yes, there were moments when my only glimmer of hope was the sunshine coming through the window.

But I have to tell you, I will definitely do it again because it was worth it … just perhaps not every week worth it.

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AI is Coming for More Than Just Your Jobs, And the Media Landscape is Changing for the Worse

More important than the loss of more jobs to AI in our industry, we need to take a closer look at the technology’s effect on the media.

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While the world is entranced in President Trump’s jury selection in New York, Artificial Intelligence is stealing your look. AI is stealing your voice and most distressing, AI is becoming more human. It has advanced faster than any other technology known to man.

At the NAB Show, Futuri’s ‘groundbreaking’ AI was applauded. They showed how an AI robot was able to conduct two studies on the media industry. Meaning this AI robot has replaced the job of those in research and development. More important than the loss of more jobs to AI in our industry, we need to take a closer look at the technology’s effect on the media, especially the human toll of AI Beauty Pageants and Deep Fake Pornography.

Announced this week, the first Miss AI Beauty Pageant is coming to a computer near you with $20,000 up for grabs. Now I know what you are thinking: “Krystina, this has nothing to do with media.” Oh, but friends, it does.

Miss Universe and Miss USA combined are industries worth several billion dollars. From paid commercials to designer dresses, hair, and makeup, it is a cash cow. Now, Maybelline can cut out paying advertisers and models by going straight to the programmers. Maybe she’s programmed with it. Maybe its Maybelline? It would cut costs significantly.

Additionally, since the Miss AI beauty pageant also judges its contestant on how many followers she has (can we call a robot she?), you have a significantly cheaper influencer because you don’t have to send the product to her (because again she’s AI).

Revenue from the health, wellness, and beauty industries could now be transitioned to big tech. Yeah, sure, a 12-year-old programmer living out of their mother’s basement might make enough to pay for one semester of college this way, but is that really the route we want to go here? Not to mention this will give people a significantly distorted sense of reality and beauty.

This brings us to AI porn, which has affected Taylor Swift, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and 30 female teens at a New Jersey high school. Let me repeat that for those who missed the story this past fall, a high school boy took the photos of 30 classmates and turned them into porn. These girls are 14. Not only will they likely spend the rest of their lives taking down the AI porn made of them, but to quote AOC, “It has real, real effects not just on the people that are victimized by it, but on the people who see it and consume it. And once you’ve seen it, you’ve seen it.”

I’m not a fan of AOC, but she has a point. The comments made by conservatives about AI porn made using her image are nasty (and senseless). This should be a bipartisan issue. AOC is also not the only well-known person this has happened to. Twitter had to block #TaylorSwift because of AI-generated porn photos. While this prompted the United States Congress to draft a civil law that would allow victims to sue the makers of these AI images, it falls just short of criminalizing the behavior.

Yes, Rep. Neil Hays (R-OK) proposed legislation last year that would criminalize the creation of deep fakes but it has stalled in the halls of Congress.

As for those nasty comments made by conservatives about AOC, they don’t realize this could happen to them. It could happen to their spouses and children. It’s not just celebrities. Those photos you’ve posted of your children from the time they were born, can now be accessed by the pedophiles of the world and turned into porn. A report, published yesterday by Forbes, shows there is already an increase of AI-made child sex abuse images across the web. Are you concerned yet? You should be.

The European Union and the United Kingdom are working on legislation to make it a criminal act. While the proposals are designed to aid those affected by AI porn, they lack targeting AI which is made to subvert or skew political messaging. It’s not just the videos you watch it’s also the articles you read.

While AI videos still have a long way to go before they are truly believable, we’ve extensively reported on media outlets replacing their writers with AI. A December 2023 study by Science Direct found people were able to positively identify AI writing samples only 38.9% of the time. There are now recruiters on Linkedin asking writers (like myself) to teach AI how to write. Sounds interesting until you realize AI would replace my career as a writer.

While Black Rock’s Larry Fink believes AI will “boost wages and productivity,” he needs to recognize there is already an abundance of jobs in sectors outside of finance that are being eliminated by AI. Business Insider, CNET, and CNBC have used ChatGPT to write stories. BuzzFeed is using ChatGPT to personalize content, a job once held by a person. Law offices are now using services to Casetext to research case law or Lawgeex to read contracts. Another job once held by a legal assistant, or law school intern.

These are all entry-level jobs that are being eliminated. How are people going to gain experience if AI is replacing the entry-level? So, while I congratulate Futuri on their AI research robot, can we put the brakes on the in-your-face AI capabilities and just keep it in the background? We are clearly not prepared, nor do we understand, the full scope of damage this technology can and is doing. (Does anyone remember Terminator, Robocop, Blade Runner, or Ex Machina? This does not end well for us.)

This is a very serious bipartisan issue that is being swept under the rug. So, while everyone is worried about what media outlets each one of Trump’s jurors watches, you should be more concerned with how the media is reporting (or lack thereof) on AI. It is more than just our jobs at risk, it’s our dignity and livelihood which is already being negatively impacted by the technology.

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ABC Draws Biggest Solar Eclipse Coverage Audience

ABC News’ Eclipse Across America was also simulcast on the Disney-owned cable networks National Geographic Channel.

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The solar eclipse that captivated our nation on Apr. 8, for better or for worse, was extensively covered by the major networks. They had broadcast from the key areas where complete totality of the moon directly aligning in front of the sun was observed, from Dallas to Indianapolis to Niagara Falls to Vermont.

ABC, with David Muir and Linsey Davis anchoring from Burlington, Vermont, was the most-watched outlet in eclipse coverage among all key figures, according to Nielsen Media Research. From 2-4 PM ET on Apr. 8, ABC delivered 4.448 million total viewers including 920,000 within the key 25-54 demographic as well as 744,000 adults 18-49.

ABC News’ Eclipse Across America was also simulcast on the Disney-owned cable networks National Geographic Channel (271,000 Total Viewers, 76,000 Adults 25-54 and 69,000 Adults 18-49) and Nat Geo Wild (63,000 Total Viewers, 19,000 Adults 25-54 and 17,000 Adults 18-49).

The eclipse coverage helped National Geographic Channel more than doubled its own weekday performances of 2-4 PM ET from Apr. 1-5: Total Viewers +139%, Adults 25-54 +192%, and Adults 18-49 +237%.

CBS, with Norah O’Donnell and Tony Dokoupil anchoring from Indianapolis, was runner-up among total viewers (2.705 million) while NBC (2.406 million total viewers) – with Lester Holt also in Indianapolis, as well as Al Roker in Dallas – was runner-up among key demos (483,000 adults 25-54; 368,000 adults 18-49).

CBS posted 447,000 adults 25-54 and 339,000 adults 18-49.

On cable news, Fox News Channel was the total viewer leader for the solar eclipse and CNN led in all key demos. As indicated in the network breakdown below, CNN attracted the most added raw viewership and demos (nearly quadrupling its 25-54 and 18-49) compared to the aforementioned Monday through Friday 2-4 p.m. period from Apr. 1-5:

Fox News Channel

  • Total Viewers: 2.264 million (+829,000; +58%)
  • Adults 25-54: 230,000 (+73,000; +47%)
  • Adults 18-49: 155,000 (+54,000; +54%)

CNN

  • Total Viewers: 1.643 million (+1,046,000; +175%)
  • Adults 25-54: 332,000 (+246,000; +286%)
  • Adults 18-49: 221,000 (+163,000; +283%)

MSNBC (compared to Apr. 1-5 @ 1-4 p.m.)

  • Total Viewers: 0.916 million (+120,000; +15%)
  • Adults 25-54: 121,000 (+41,000; +51%)
  • Adults 18-49: 81,000 (+31,000; +62%)

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