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Chris Stigall Looks to Listen Rather Than Thinking of Next Destination

Stigall said it’s a skill to actually listen to what guests say instead of thinking ahead to where you want to go next. Then take it in a different direction that can’t be planned.

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There’s nothing worse than a guy who grows a little beard. Tufts of hair in odd places don’t scream masculinity–or even good grooming. Chris Stigall can grow a rather formidable beard, but it comes with its share of grief.

“I couldn’t believe the audacity of people who touched my beard without asking, like people touching a woman’s belly. Now I know what pregnant women mean,” Stigall said. “People wanted to comment whether I solicited their opinion or not. They’d say they dug the beard. Or hated the beard. Always unsolicited.”

He started growing the beard as a Covid protest. “I decided if people were going to act insane, I would lean in and look the part. It got pretty long.”

Stigall took his beloved beard to get trimmed. “She cut it to pieces,” he lamented. “I got really irritated. My kids pointed at me and laughed. So, I started over and shaved it down to the skin. I’ll be damned if my kids didn’t want me to grow it back. They’re used to it now.”

Stigall said he quit drinking 3 ½ years ago, and things have been better all around. “I’ve lost 90 pounds, and I feel great. Now I can wake up functioning, I sleep better, more soundly. I drank entirely too much. Almost every day.”

Since he quit drinking, he’s been more aware. “I’ve become more conscious of everything and everyone. Especially God,” Stigall said.

That awareness has caused him to see the change in humanity as of late. “I can feel the heaviness of it all,” he said. “It’s not all fun and games like it used to be. I feel there is a genuine heaviness among people today. The human spirit is in jeopardy. The collective psyche of our country has taken a lot of hard knocks. When we talk, I feel what they’re feeling.” Of course, I still want to entertain and laugh, but not for zaniness’ sake anymore. I prefer sincerity.”

Stigall’s interest in radio started in 4th grade. He remembers his parents waking up and getting ready for their day.

“My dad was shaving, and my mother was putting on makeup. They were laughing hysterically while listening to a morning show. That made such an impression on me. I recognized the power of that, and I knew I wanted to be part of it. Throughout school, any time I had a chance to announce or broadcast or address an audience, I took it.”

In high school, he tried football. His father was very good at football and played in college. Stigall said he wasn’t that interested in playing the sport but wanted to make his father proud.

“I was a big enough kid, so they put me on the line,” Stigall explained. “If you’ve played the game, you know those guys are hungry for blood, grunting at each other. That wasn’t me. I got mowed over like I was hit by a dump truck.”

Stigall realized he hated playing the sport instantly and tearfully approached his father to break the news after the first game.

“I remember his reaction so well. He asked, ‘Then why are you doing this?’ I told him I wanted to make him proud. He reminded me he never even suggested I play. Ever. It was all in my head. I learned I’m not a physically aggressive guy.”

Stigall said his parents were always supportive of his choice to go into radio. However, his father was adamant about his son finishing school.

“In my sophomore year in college, I was offered a monster 20-grand to work for a morning show in Kansas City with Randy Miller. My father went ballistic. He insisted I finish school first, so I did.”

Randy Miller was huge in the 90s, making big money. He wanted to hire Stigall to produce his show. Stigall interned with him throughout college. Stigall’s radio career has spanned over twenty years as a producer, writer, news anchor, and DJ prior to making the transition to talk radio.

Part of his journey took him to a late-night talk show.

“I was a huge David Letterman fan when I was 16,” Stigall said. “I was enamored with what seemed to be the irreverence of his show and personality. It was also the unconventionality of it all. It wasn’t racy or political. Letterman did bits like The man under the stairs. Jumping against Velcro. Throwing stuff off the roof. It was all benign by today’s standards. I also loved watching awards shows strictly for the hosts. That’s what appealed to me. The person in charge of keeping things moving.”

While in college, he learned The Late Show with David Letterman was looking for interns. He responded to the search and was rejected. They thanked him but told him they were full for the summer. He surmised they were looking for a pedigree, an Ivy League intern. Turns out they discovered over the years they preferred the work ethic of small school, Midwest kids.  

His friends encouraged him to apply again.

“I was in a conventional headspace where you only did your internships during the summer,” Stigall said. “I realized I could also take a semester off instead. I reapplied and was invited to fly out with 30 other kids.”

Stigall interviewed with Letterman’s staff, who whittled it down to 15 students, and he was one of them. Stigall interviewed every department on the show. While sitting with human resources, he was asked which department he wanted to intern.

“I told her I was just happy to be there,” Stigall said. “I knew I might get stuck in the mailroom if I sounded too aggressive. I didn’t want to make a mistake in the interview. She told me to drop the politically correct answers and just tell her which department I wanted. I told her I wanted the writing department. I interned with the writers on the show in the fall of ’98, and it was a high honor.”

He quickly learned show business is terribly cynical. Comedy isn’t all the fun and games you may think it is.

His biggest lesson with the Letterman show? Don’t meet your heroes.

“I’ll just say I had hoped to shake the hand of my hero, David Letterman,” Stigall said. That did not materialize. He figured at that moment; Letterman didn’t have a lot of time for that kind of stuff. Then the interns got a bit of good news. There was a scheduled day on the semester calendar to have Lunch with Dave.

“I thought I was finally going to meet the guy,” Stigall said. After lunch was served, his personal assistant came in and asked, ‘Ok – what questions do you have for Dave that we can answer?’ 

“I was devastated. I did meet him years later at a charity event and I told him I was once his intern. He was lovely. We took a photo, and he gave me his autograph.”

As a result, Stigall said, when he meets young people interested in the business, he goes out of his way to encourage and help them. While Letterman came up short on a personal level, Stigall admires the man’s mastery of the craft.

One of the primary components of being a good host, Stigall said, is an insatiable curiosity more than anything else.

“You have to be able to listen and react. Conan O’Brien is tremendous at it. When guests talk, he takes in every word, just waiting for a word or phrase to knock it out of the park. He hears a keyword in their response and turns that into a joke. That’s been my focus throughout my career.”

Stigall said it’s a skill to actually listen to what guests say instead of thinking ahead to where you want to go next. Then take it in a different direction that can’t be planned.

Stigall is on the air mornings from 6-9 ET in Philadelphia on AM 990 The Answer. After a short break, he broadcasts on KCMO Talk Radio in Kansas City from 10-noon CT.

“It’s really the same type of show in each city,” Stigall explained. “I keep up on the information and goings on in each city. I have very talented producers in both cities to make sure I don’t miss anything.”

He stays abreast of the national issues while his team helps him stay connected to both cities. Stigall said he repurposes a lot of information but needs the local flavor, too.

“That balance helps to get it right. I communicate with my producers by text. We know each other well enough to create a little shorthand with our messages. I’ve been fortunate with great producers.”

The business can cause you to take an inventory of yourself. Stigall talked about Michael Savage when he did a nationally syndicated show.

“There were times Savage was moody and maudlin on the air,” Stigall said. “One day, he described his audience by saying ‘the tent is empty,’ and I knew exactly what he meant. Sometimes you just feel like nobody is listening. You think, ‘it’s summer or the holidays, or people are burned out, and you convince yourself people have checked out. You feel like a psychopath just talking to yourself alone in a room some days.”

Covid has changed the way Stigall sees some things and affected the tone of many of his shows.

“During COVID, I began taking calls from people who were frightened about losing their job or those without a job. People who were genuinely terrified of illness,” Stigall explained. “Or they were scared and hurt for their kids. It was extraordinarily heavy. I personally feel I’m connecting with people like never before. Many people feel like they are in this alone.” He said many are still grieving and stunted. Covid has taken a toll on all of us.

“It seems like sometimes we’re campaigning to keep people away from each other. Psychologically I think it’s the kids who have lost the most, and we’re only beginning to understand it.” 

“I wish I could tell you that I pray every day. I hate that I don’t. That’s one thing I want to improve. I’m surrounded by a wonderful church home and pastor as well as a group of guys who meet once a week on Saturday mornings. I think it’s important we’re all a little vulnerable when we meet. There’s a value in men helping other men through their spiritual walks. We talk about our struggles in our study conversations and in prayer.”

With devotion to his faith, Stigall said he’s grateful to work for the Salem Media Group. “I’m not blowing smoke. I’ve worked for most of the broadcast companies, but Salem is the only faith-first broadcaster in the country,” Stigall said. “We’re very mission-oriented and make no apologies for that. When I signed with them, it became clear my walk with God was steering me that way. He wanted me to have a home where I was free to be fully open.” 

How do listeners in Philadelphia and Kansas City relate to his beliefs?

“I get lovely emails and notes from people who say they appreciate it. Occasionally I’ll get someone who tells me they don’t appreciate what they hear as me’ preaching.’ I earnestly never mean to sound like a sermon. I simply try to explain – when I think it fits – what carries me through when things feel bleak. If you’re lost in despair, what I now try to freely talk about is how Christ helps me. That was never something I did or was encouraged to do most of my career.” 

Stigall said he hasn’t always been on the right side of his faith.

“One of my great failings with my drinking was when I got a DUI several years ago,” Stigall explained. “Fortunately, I didn’t hurt anyone, but that doesn’t excuse it. I was mortified. When I was put in the squad car and detained, the cop was actually listening to my radio station. He recognized me. I’d never been more ashamed of myself in my life.”

He said it was a divine conversation in worship one Sunday when a sermon focused on the question, “do you truly want to get well? Do you mean what you say about your trust in the Lord?” If so, he had to get serious.

“Drinking was my escape. Sometimes the anxiety of our business can get to you. I’m not nuts about being out and social. It’s strangely difficult for me. The mixed company makes me uneasy. I figured the best way to deal with that was to get plastered and not be there. To numb myself.”

Since he’s been sober, Stigall said he’s on point at all times.

“When I’m uneasy and think I want a drink, I lean on Christ instead. I’ve never had to wake up the next morning and apologize to someone for my prayers.”

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Dagen McDowell Is Ready For A New Adventure With Fox Business

“Every decision in America is born of policy, On the show, we bring that to our show. Talk about the news of the day.”

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To know Dagen McDowell, you must understand what she comes from, where she comes from. You won’t know her until you know the lessons, kindness, and determination set forth by her parents.

Her parents operated a small grocery store, LW Roark and Company. Charles and Joyce McDowell were high school sweethearts and both went to college but decided to go back home and open a business. “This is in the middle of nowhere,” McDowell said. “It was a wholesale grocery store. They sold it in the late 90s.”

She said her parents were smart, encouraging, and took every opportunity to teach McDowell and her brother.

“They’d constantly talk up people who came into the store. Both of them have and had an insatiable curiosity about everything. They felt they learned things through their customers. It was more fun to learn about things from other people.”

McDowell’s parents never took a week off work. Never. The family took no vacations as most families would. Once while McDowell was in college at Wake Forest University, the family visited the Air and Space Museum on the Mall in D.C.

“Both of my parents were very interested in architecture and landscapes. We’d go to Williamsburg and just look at the buildings.”

McDowell joined FOX News Channel in 2003 and helped launch FOX Business Network as a founding anchor in 2007.

Her mother passed away three years ago and her father is still very much a part of her life. Her father was a constant teacher.

“One time my father, who we called Dowell McDowell, was putting up an outbuilding and asked me how long one line should be if the other line was such and such. He taught me the Pythagorean theorem when I was about 4 years old.”

McDowell was nurtured by parents with endless curiosity.

“I was raised by parents who would always debate and converse around the dinner table. We shared breakfast and dinner together every day. They loved learning, were always inquisitive, never afraid to ask a question. My parents shared a fearlessness and passed that on to me. I’ve never been embarrassed to ask people questions. I love talking to people and finding out about things.”

For a long time, McDowell had no idea what she wanted to do for a living. She knew if she worked at different jobs she’d eventually figure out what she was good at.

“I knew I was a decent writer, but I always tried to get information out of people, what they were doing. Ask if they were fulfilled and happy.”

At Wake, Forest McDowell majored in art history and had every intention of working in a museum, possibly as a curator.

“I interned at the Center for Contemporary Arts. I lived in Venice, Italy for a while. Wake Forest owns a house in Venice.”

After that it was Colorado. She moved back to New York during the recession of 1991 with a duffel bag. She took the Amtrak to New York City and sublet an apartment for six months.

“I had no TV, just a radio. I knew I could find something good to do in New York, there were so many jobs. I always wanted to live in the city. Either the city or way out in the country. Nowhere in between.”

She said being in New York made her feel anything was possible. This was January in 1994 when job ads were still in the physical newspaper, like the New York Times. McDowell interviewed at Institutional Investor through a referral from a friend.

“It was a brilliant magazine with terrific writing,” McDowell explained. “Very prominent in the industry. They were looking for someone to work with the newsletter written for the financial community.”

She’d cover topics like the bond business, Wall Street, and money management. The magazine made her take a reporting test where you’d make up a story and write it. She was offered a job and worked there for three years.

“I learned to be a journalist there,” McDowell said. “I could write but I became a better journalist. We’d break news, create our sources, and learn more and more about finance. People love to talk about what they do if you show interest.”

The next big job was SmartMoney.com, a resource and web newspaper for private investors. There McDowell wrote a personal finance column. She started doing commentary on television shows, the way a lot of people in different professions tend to do. “Then I started making more appearances on weekend financial or business shows,” McDowell said.

She got a call from Neil Cavuto about 20 years ago and he told McDowell, ‘Kid, you want a job? I know you don’t have much professional TV experience. We’ll give you some training and you’ll figure it out. If you do, you stay. If not, you go.’

McDowell said she was glad she was a writer first before she arrived at Fox. She writes her own scripts and has a background in finance and business writing.

“Before the business network was launched, they had only one business reporter and two senior business correspondents,” she said. “I’ve gotten to do so many different jobs, use different muscles, so to speak. As the years have passed I’ve discovered other talents I may have and I’m incredibly grateful for that.”

There’s a new show in town. McDowell and Sean Duffy will co-host The Bottom Line which will air on weeknights from 6-7:00 PM ET.

McDowell said she and Duffy come from extremely similar backgrounds. Duffy is from rural Wisconsin and McDowell is from Virginia.

“We know what small-town living is like, “McDowell said. “I might live in New York City but where I grew up affects the way I view the world. I’m still grounded in my hometown. On the show, we look south and west with everything we cover. You have to think of your audience. Rather than talking about them, we talk with them. That’s our shared background and vision. Sean is extremely down to earth and generous.”

McDowell said the show is not financially based, but steeped in business.

She said Duffy’s experience as a former U.S. Congressman, he understands policy as well as financial matters.

“Every decision in America is born of policy,” she said. “On the show, we bring that to our show. Talk about the news of the day.”

This is different from anything McDowell has done in the past.

“It’s a two-anchor show in the evening,” she explained. “This is not taking place during market hours. We tie all the business happenings together from the day. Again, it’s not about Washington or New York. It’s about the people we grew up with. We talk to them. Build a relationship with them on the air. For me, this is not just sitting in front of a camera. I can run off at the mouth as well as anyone, hang in there with the filibuster.”

McDowell says she is blunt, but hopes she isn’t rude. During a recent interview for the new show she used the terms ‘pig potatoes’ and ‘chapped backsides.’

“Those are terms I just made up,” she said. “I make up a lot of phrases and don’t always know what they mean. I have an entire repertoire of those kinds of phrases.”

Duffy assumed they were southern phrases he had to learn from McDowell, but she assured him she’d never heard them anywhere else.

“I’m just making stuff up,” McDowell said. “You can’t curse. Can’t say BS. At least you shouldn’t say BS on television. You don’t want to say manure. You never want to say something that makes people wince or evokes a smell.”

Dealing with people directly and bluntly seems to come from her mother.

“My mother had grit,” McDowell said. “She was also very kind, never syrupy. I used to say she had no magnolia-mouth.

That’s got to be a southern phrase.

McDowell said her mother was not a servile flatterer, but she was kind. Always there when somebody was in need.

“She had real grit. She’d stand and fight for her friends and family members.”

Her mother passed away after being diagnosed with stage-four cancer.

“She went through unimaginable pain,” McDowell said of her mother. “For nearly six years. You want to talk about somebody who was tough. There was nobody more pugnacious than my mother.”

She explained even with her illness, her mother was always on the go. Continuing to live her life. When questioned about being so active while she was ill, her mother continued to show grit.

“My mother would say she didn’t want to walk around looking like she had cancer. She asked, ‘What choice do I have? I could lay in bed and wait to die, or I can get up and do what I can .’”

McDowell said her mother’s illness taught her to be a caregiver in ways she never could have imagined. Her mother taught her to find moments of joy every single day, in the smallest of things.

“It can be as simple as telling a stranger to have a great day. Treat a perfect stranger with kindness. I do it all day long. I know it sounds corny, but I want to be known as a person who brings a casserole to a friend when they’re ill.”

A one-sheet from Fox tells you McDowell and the culmination of her background is perfect for The Bottom Line. The fact is, it’s true.

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Airing The Tyre Nichols Video Was A Necessity

There were hard moments to watch in those videos, hard sounds to hear. But they aired.

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Far be it for me not to address this outrageous and embarrassing instance in humanity. After the videos of Memphis police brutally beating Tyre Nichols were shown on television there really seemed to be more outrage emerging from society this time than from the media, for a change. One would think that’s how we wish things to be.

In instances like this, where the video and audio images are far from brief but are instead chaptered as they unfold, there are few options other than to let them run their course. Clocks — breaks hard and soft — are out the window, just as in live coverage.

Because that’s what this was, only the live this time was us, and as we all absorbed and reacted to actions disapprovingly familiar yet somehow foreign at the same time, the impact was still becoming apparent even though we already knew the outcome.

It’s happened before.

Not always like this but we’ve seen it before, police encounters shown on the news overtakes and become the news.

It takes effect as the sights and sounds are digested, dissected, and discussed, often before their potential impact could really be imagined.

In 1991, when the Handycam footage crossed screens for the first time and we learned Rodney King’s name, we didn’t know then but we had a feeling.

We were on the right track, though as newsrooms evolved and street reporting incorporated a different type of storytelling.

I was a cop in 1991. Changes came. Some.

It’s 2023, I’m no longer a cop. Changes will come again. Some.

Turning points — or the overused watershed moments — mean just as much to the news media as they do to law enforcement.

The “why’s” that make this a turning point are more society and community based this time around than they were in 1991.

At least I think so. And I don’t think it makes a bit of difference who’s involved this time.

There were hard moments to watch in those videos, and hard sounds to hear. But they aired. Where they couldn’t air, they were described in great detail; descriptions sometimes can be worse than the real thing. Sometimes, not this time.

And they should air, they shouldn’t stop airing. This is what happened and this is what people need to see and hear and this is exactly why we are here.

Warn them, provide them with a heads up that they’re not going to like what happens next. It’s life and we show life, and we show what some of us do with it when it’s someone else’s.

Overall, I would say the news platforms held their composure, even after the videos were released. I saw, read, and heard some refreshingly neutral coverage, even from outlets where I expected hard turns into the lanes on either side of the road.

Legitimate questions were asked by anchors and reporters and much of the time, the off-balance issues were raised more by those on the sidewalks and those on the other side of the cameras and microphones.

As much as I find myself in disagreement with what I often see on the cable networks — all the cable networks — I did find a sense of symmetry watching CNN’s Don Lemon speak with Memphis City Council Chair Martavius Jones in the hours after the videos were released.

Regular protocols be damned, Lemon and producers lingered patiently as Jones, visibly overcome by emotion, struggled to regain breath and composure enough to be able to speak. Rather than cut away or move to other elements, they stood fast and it became an example of what often requires no words.

There were fewer punches pulled on other platforms as well.

The sounds of the screams, the impacts, and the hate-filled commands were broadcast through car radios.

As were Tyre Nichol’s calls for his mom. They aired. They had to.

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Does the Republican Establishment Get It?

For many it seemed that the Republican establishment stood idly by as Democrats changed the rules and worked behind the scenes to alter elections.

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In a move that seemed to go against the wishes of the patriotic American grassroots, the Republican party on Friday re-elected RNC Chairperson Ronna McDaniel. 

The media immediately took notice, as many on television and radio are now wondering why the party would re-elect a chairperson who has been so unpopular with the base of its party. 

Grant Stinchfield discussed this issue Friday night on his program, Stinchfield Tonight, which airs on Real America’s Voice network.

“Ronna McDaniel holds on to her chairmanship of the Republican Party. By a whopping total of — what were the numbers– 111 to 54. Harmeet Dhillon only received 54 votes. Mike Lindell 4 votes. This is proof to me that the Republican establishment is dug in,” Stinchfield — formerly of Newsmax — said. “Don’t tell me they’re out of touch. See, you tell me they’re out of touch, that implies ignorance. They’re not ignorant about anything.”

As sentiment for Dhillon grew in the days leading up to Friday’s vote, many influential politicians and party donors publicly offered her their support and endorsement. These included Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), as well as donors Mike Rydin, Dick Uihlein, and Bernie Marcus.

Also on board were musician and outspoken conservative John Rich, along with the state GOP of Nebraska and Washington State. Countless journalists and media personalities, such as Charlie Kirk, Miranda Divine, and Lou Dobbs, also came out publicly in support of Dhillon. Former President Donald Trump remained neutral, not making a public choice of either of the three candidates.

For many of Dhillon’s supporters, the deciding factor was public sentiment across the party’s base.

“They’re reading the same chat boards. They’re getting the same emails I’m reading. I will literally post something about this race when I was supporting Harmeet Dhillon. There was not one comment – not one – that supported Ronna McDaniel. Everyone wanted change,” Stinchfield said, noting that the party elite saw the same groundswell of support for change.

“Now, nobody has an issue as Ronna McDaniel is some evil kind of person. I don’t believe she is. I believe, though, that she is part of the establishment. She’s been around too long as far as the establishment goes. And she’s been ingrained in doing business as usual. It’s not working.”

In making their choices known, many Dhillon supporters simply pointed to the scoreboard during McDaniel’s reign.

“Think about where we are. 2018, we lost the House. 2020, we lost everything. 2022, we won the House, but we should have really steamrolled the House and we should have taken back the Senate, which we didn’t do,” Stinchfield said. “That means we’re on a real losing track since she took over. I don’t like being on a losing track. I like being on a winning track.

“Something has got to change when you talk about all of this. So how does Ronna McDaniel get 111 votes and Harmeet Dhillon only get 54 votes, when everyone, every Republican voter I talk to said it was time for change?” pondered Stinchfield.

And even more than the losses, for many it seemed that the Republican establishment stood idly by as Democrats changed the rules and worked behind the scenes to alter elections. The most recent example of which came in Arizona, where presumptive gubernatorial favorite, Kari Lake, was “defeated” when countless voting irregularities occurred in some of the state’s most deep-red areas.

“Under her watch, Democrats instituted a mail-in ballot scheme. That may be even worse than losing, when you talk about the House and the Senate and all these things. The fact that we now have a junk mail-in ballot scheme across the country under Ronna McDaniel’s watch is serious trouble. Very serious trouble,” Stinchfield said on Friday. “And so the reason it is is because the Democrats are rigging the system.”

For years – until Donald Trump descended the golden escalator and took the world by storm – the Republican party had the reputation of being the party of the rich. Rush Limbaugh used to refer to this wing of Republicans as “the country club crowd.” President Donald Trump flipped the narrative completely, offering a clear vision of hope and patriotism to working-class America.

Reputable polling — such as Richard Baris’ Big Data Poll — consistently showed Trump running well ahead of almost every Republican candidate during the 2022 mid-term election cycle. In other words, Trump still maintains considerably more support across the country than most of the individual Senate or House candidates experienced.

Many experts believe this is because voters still view Trump as an outsider, while they view the Republican party much less favorably.

“Let’s tell you how out of touch they are, how elitist they are,” Stinchfield said, calling out the GOP establishment. “This meeting that went on, do you know where it is? It’s at the Waldorf Astoria Monarch in California. One of the most expensive resorts in America. You’re lucky if you get a room for a thousand dollars a night down there on Dana Point. Now, it’s a beautiful hotel, but why is the Republican Party holding an event there? Then I went back and I looked at what RedState did. RedState went back and looked at some of the expenses that the Republican Party under Ronna McDaniel’s leadership was spending money on.

“Take a look at this. $3.1 million on private jets. $1.3 million on limousine and chauffeur services. $17.1 million on donor mementos. $750,000 on floral arrangements. Now you compare this to the Democrats. The Democrats spent $35,000 on private airfare. A thousand dollars on floral arrangements. A thousand. Not $750,000. A thousand. And the $17.1 million they spent on donor mementos, the Democrats spent $1.5 million.

“Democrats know where to put the money. It’s not giving donors gifts. Donors shouldn’t want gifts. If you give money, give money. You don’t need the fancy pin to put on your lapel.”

Following her loss, Dhillon warned her party that it must listen to the base, saying, “if we ignore this message, I think it’s at our peril. It’s at our peril personally, as party leaders and it’s at our peril for our party in general.”

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