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Dr. Sebastian Gorka Lives, Breathes, and Eats Politics

Dr. Sebastian Gorka had been on American soil for a mere five years before he felt the plush blue carpet of the Oval Office under his feet.

Jim Cryns




I’ve been alive since the Kennedy administration, and I’ve never been inside the White House. Dr. Sebastian Gorka had been on American soil for a mere five years before he felt the plush blue carpet of the Oval Office under his feet.

The British-born Hungarian-American media personality, military and intelligence analyst, and former government official, served under President Donald Trump as a deputy assistant for strategy from January 2017 until August 25, 2017. It’s not how long you do something. It’s about being asked to do it in the first place.

Despite serving in a presidential administration, Gorka puts his pants on one leg at a time.

“I walk my dogs, shoot my guns, and read books,” Gorka said. He loves to read but doesn’t have time for fiction. “I read stuff that’s in my former wheelhouse–national security, strategy.” 

By his bedside is a recent book by Victor Davis Hanson, The Dying Citizen. I have no time for turgid autobiographies, or the like”

Gorka has two children. His son recently earned a classics degree. My son is versed in ancient Greek, Roman scholars. Anything that applies to Western civilization. My daughter is studying to be a therapist.”

Gorka said when he’s asked by a younger demographic how to be successful, he always says the same thing.

“Switch off your stinking phone. Read a book for an hour a day. Preferably anything that was written 400 years ago or more. You will start to become an educated person.”

Gorka said social media is designed to limit us to the attention of a gnat. Make sure we don’t do anything substantive. 

“When you understand Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates banning their children from devices like iPads, you start to understand the picture. TikTok is specifically designed to cause your attention span to flick every sixty seconds. It’s not a world conspiracy, just a money maker. They have to get that revenue.”

Does he admire people like Henry Kissinger?

“I think he’s one of the most destructive people in  modern American history,” Gorka explained. “He’s not as smart as he likes to think he is. With Nixon, they opened up the channels to China and now we’re paying the price. Back then it looked seductive in the middle of a bi-polar conflict. To weaken our enemies. Drive a wedge between Moscow and Beijing.”

Gorka said Kissinger looked smart 50 years ago. In hindsight, Gorka said he doesn’t look so good.

“Now China has a GDP larger than ours. They have hegemony over many countries. The American elite like Kisinger thought if we opened up economically to Communist China, we’d open them up politically. They created an economic giant with labor camps. Nike is using those to make their trainers. We created that. Or rather, people like Kissinger did.”

Gorka said he grew up under real leaders like Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II.

“They made decisions that weren’t driven by the transitory proclivities of the people. They made hard decisions but ones that paid long-term dividends. Together, Clinton and Tony Blair sabotaged the whole concept of true leadership. Clinton would talk about the current polls. He’d determine one day they cared about the environment, the next day it was taxes. Their decisions were predicated on popular polls. They’d tell the country they had a policy to fix that, whatever it was.”

Gorka said strategy is long-term thinking. Presidents like Nixon, Eisenhower and Truman possessed the gift of foresight.

“History is written in centuries, not months or years,” Gorka said.

He said in America, once the election is won, the party starts to think about reelection the following day. That’s all that matters. The days of the statesman have disappeared.” 

What do you know about Trump?

“He’s a voracious reader,” Gorka said. “People called Ronald Reagan a ‘amiable dunce,’ yet he wrote hundreds of speeches for General Electric on the strength of free markets and economy.”

Gorka said these speeches were reportedly written by Reagan himself.

Gorka said Trump sleeps about three hours a night, constantly consuming information.

As we’ve heard from other sources, Trump doesn’t use a computer or a cell phone.

“He loves to print stuff out and read it. I’m the same way. Give me a hard copy of an article rather than have me read it on a screen. Sometimes there’d be so  much stuff on the resolute desk when a visitor was coming, we had to clear it off quickly to be presentable for the obligatory photograph he gave as a memento.”

Gorka said everybody wants to know what Trump’s really like.

“I’m sorry to disappoint you, but the man you see at a rally or walking toward Marine One is the same guy you talk to in the White House, behind closed doors. In a city like D.C. where everybody has perfect hair and perfect teeth but is two -faced behind closed doors, he’s actually the real deal. The man you saw on The Apprentice or a cameo in Home Alone 2, or speaking in front of 60,000 people. He’s the same thoughtful guy.”

As an example, Gorka pointed out an experience with his wife, Katie.

“She was a political appointee with the DHS,” Gorka explained. “She didn’t work in the White House but was over at Homeland Security. President Trump met her twice for about three minutes each time. Once I asked the President to help her with a problem and he brought in Sarah Huckabee to resolve the issue. Then, a year and a half later, I was back in the Oval and he asked, “How’s Katie?’”

In another instance of what Gorka refers to as kindness, he was at a Christmas party at the White House. He explained hundreds of people were there and those with the right colored ticket were to be taken in to meet President Trump for a Christmas photograph.

“It was a VIP thing,” Gorka explained. “The military aide finds you at the party and whisks you away to the China Room. That’s where you meet with the first lady and the president. We walked into the room and the president nodded at an aide as we’re taking the photos. He hands the president a manilla envelope. 

Inside was an article I’d just written on Trump’s forgetting policy. He told me, ‘Nice job, Sebastian.’ This is a man running America, and he takes the time to do this for me with his distinctive signature and personal message on the printed article. That’s a special kind of man.”

Gorka said Trump obviously liked the article, and held on to it for two weeks before bringing it out at Christmas as a gift.

“The people that hate him and are threatened by him,” Gorka said. “I like to remind my fellow Americans, every single president before Mr. Trump is connected. Every previous president was a member of the political or military elite. Until President Trump arrived on the scene. Every single one from Washington to Obama. All were Senators, or retired Generals. Not President Trump. He’s not one of them.”

Gorka explained 64 million Americans said they’d tried that. They no longer wanted that. 

“He won the first time he ran and that is a massive threat to the establishment, both Left and Right. He’s not owned by Big oil, or the unions, or Big Pharma.  He hasn’t had to kiss the ring. He owes them nothing. And no one owns him. So, they have to discredit and destroy him since they can’t control him.”

Gorka maintains there is no such thing as real journalism any longer. He said when the Internet came into being, the newspapers panicked. “They made their money from classified ads. The Internet took that away. A website costs nothing. Now the papers had no revenue streams.  Reporters used to travel the world, hunt down Al-Qaedi, interview Bin laden and turn in a 15,000 word series on the situation. That doesn’t exist anymore.”

He said nowadays they hire a 22 year-old recent graduate, give them a Gmail account, a laptop, and they’re good to go.

“The idea always was accuracy came first. We know that’s no longer true. Now it’s publish first, damn the accuracy.”

“Just five years after becoming a U.S. citizen, here I was walking around the West Wing. In France, if you don’t speak high French, you’re not going to be allowed into the inner circle to work in the Elysse. It’s a cliche, but I lived the American Dream. I came here with my wife and kids with nothing. I’m the son of a man who escaped from prison in communist Hungary.”

The day after President Trump’s inauguration, Gorka said he went to work at 8:00 the next morning. 

“It still gives me goosebumps. It was unbelievable. An Army staff sergeant guided me through the barricades into the Eisenhower building where I filled out my details with HR, and received my badge.”

The world can be perceived to be in turmoil on many fronts. Gorka said there is no time for Americans to despair. 

“From the Founding Fathers we’ve taken on the greatest powers in the world. From King George, to Hitler, to Stalin and the Jihadists. To give in to desperation is un-American.” 

Gorka said he lives in the swamp. He lives, breathes and eats politics. He’s convinced most Americans don’t adhere as closely to the political landscape as he does. 

“Most don’t follow the news,” Gorka said. “They don’t rumiante on a brain-fart from a hackneyed politician. They just want to make a car payment, get new shoes for the children for the new school year. I’ve been called a Nazi by mainstream media. That word has weight. Six million people were lost to genocide. Sixty million people died in WWII. Extreme radical verbiage is not on our side”.

He said conservatives look at the other side as good people with bad ideas.

The Left looks at conservatives as bad people.

What about guns?

“I really believe without a shadow of a doubt they want to take guns away,” Gorka explained. “I hope there is never a compromise. On the campaign trail you hear people wanting to ban the AR-15. I say if they ban one they’re going to ban them all. Guns are part of the unique birth of our nation. It’s the right of people who live here to combat a tyrannical head of state. The Second Amendment is the ultimate guarantor of our liberty and has been since we became a free Republic.”

What about presidents and age?

“I love the line Reagan gave in response to a question of his age in his race against Mondale– ‘Iwill not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.’ Gorka said when you consider President Biden, you have a man who has had two brain aneurysms. “You don’t have to be a medical professional to see he’s battling dementia.”

He related how President Biden screamed at an employee at a Ford plant. 

“If an individual loses a filter, they say things they shouldn’t. A reporter asked Biden if he planned to run again, and he turned around and snapped, ‘What do you mean?’ Trump never did that on camera. Biden will do it at the drop of a hat. Because that loss of filter is a symptom of dementia.”

Can Ron DeSantis beat Trump if they go head-to-head?

“The way Trump can fill a stadium is astounding. Nobody since FDR could do that. Ron DeSantis can’t do what Trump does and could never beat him. Nobody can mobilize people like Trump. Whatever you believe about the 2020 election, he received more votes than any incumbent in history.”

Gorka said DeSantis is successful because like in the Austin Powers movies, DeSantis is the Mini-Me to Trump. 

“He is replicating Trump politics at a local level. He’s the junior version. If he’s sane he won’t run against Trump. One of them would have to move their domicile address as the president and vice president can’t be from the same state. If Ron is smart, he’s on the veep ticket in 2024, then slides into the top slot in ‘28.”

Then DeSantis’ little feet can stand proudly on that resplendent blue carpet.

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Dagen McDowell Is Ready For A New Adventure With Fox Business

“Every decision in America is born of policy, On the show, we bring that to our show. Talk about the news of the day.”

Jim Cryns




To know Dagen McDowell, you must understand what she comes from, where she comes from. You won’t know her until you know the lessons, kindness, and determination set forth by her parents.

Her parents operated a small grocery store, LW Roark and Company. Charles and Joyce McDowell were high school sweethearts and both went to college but decided to go back home and open a business. “This is in the middle of nowhere,” McDowell said. “It was a wholesale grocery store. They sold it in the late 90s.”

She said her parents were smart, encouraging, and took every opportunity to teach McDowell and her brother.

“They’d constantly talk up people who came into the store. Both of them have and had an insatiable curiosity about everything. They felt they learned things through their customers. It was more fun to learn about things from other people.”

McDowell’s parents never took a week off work. Never. The family took no vacations as most families would. Once while McDowell was in college at Wake Forest University, the family visited the Air and Space Museum on the Mall in D.C.

“Both of my parents were very interested in architecture and landscapes. We’d go to Williamsburg and just look at the buildings.”

McDowell joined FOX News Channel in 2003 and helped launch FOX Business Network as a founding anchor in 2007.

Her mother passed away three years ago and her father is still very much a part of her life. Her father was a constant teacher.

“One time my father, who we called Dowell McDowell, was putting up an outbuilding and asked me how long one line should be if the other line was such and such. He taught me the Pythagorean theorem when I was about 4 years old.”

McDowell was nurtured by parents with endless curiosity.

“I was raised by parents who would always debate and converse around the dinner table. We shared breakfast and dinner together every day. They loved learning, were always inquisitive, never afraid to ask a question. My parents shared a fearlessness and passed that on to me. I’ve never been embarrassed to ask people questions. I love talking to people and finding out about things.”

For a long time, McDowell had no idea what she wanted to do for a living. She knew if she worked at different jobs she’d eventually figure out what she was good at.

“I knew I was a decent writer, but I always tried to get information out of people, what they were doing. Ask if they were fulfilled and happy.”

At Wake, Forest McDowell majored in art history and had every intention of working in a museum, possibly as a curator.

“I interned at the Center for Contemporary Arts. I lived in Venice, Italy for a while. Wake Forest owns a house in Venice.”

After that it was Colorado. She moved back to New York during the recession of 1991 with a duffel bag. She took the Amtrak to New York City and sublet an apartment for six months.

“I had no TV, just a radio. I knew I could find something good to do in New York, there were so many jobs. I always wanted to live in the city. Either the city or way out in the country. Nowhere in between.”

She said being in New York made her feel anything was possible. This was January in 1994 when job ads were still in the physical newspaper, like the New York Times. McDowell interviewed at Institutional Investor through a referral from a friend.

“It was a brilliant magazine with terrific writing,” McDowell explained. “Very prominent in the industry. They were looking for someone to work with the newsletter written for the financial community.”

She’d cover topics like the bond business, Wall Street, and money management. The magazine made her take a reporting test where you’d make up a story and write it. She was offered a job and worked there for three years.

“I learned to be a journalist there,” McDowell said. “I could write but I became a better journalist. We’d break news, create our sources, and learn more and more about finance. People love to talk about what they do if you show interest.”

The next big job was, a resource and web newspaper for private investors. There McDowell wrote a personal finance column. She started doing commentary on television shows, the way a lot of people in different professions tend to do. “Then I started making more appearances on weekend financial or business shows,” McDowell said.

She got a call from Neil Cavuto about 20 years ago and he told McDowell, ‘Kid, you want a job? I know you don’t have much professional TV experience. We’ll give you some training and you’ll figure it out. If you do, you stay. If not, you go.’

McDowell said she was glad she was a writer first before she arrived at Fox. She writes her own scripts and has a background in finance and business writing.

“Before the business network was launched, they had only one business reporter and two senior business correspondents,” she said. “I’ve gotten to do so many different jobs, use different muscles, so to speak. As the years have passed I’ve discovered other talents I may have and I’m incredibly grateful for that.”

There’s a new show in town. McDowell and Sean Duffy will co-host The Bottom Line which will air on weeknights from 6-7:00 PM ET.

McDowell said she and Duffy come from extremely similar backgrounds. Duffy is from rural Wisconsin and McDowell is from Virginia.

“We know what small-town living is like, “McDowell said. “I might live in New York City but where I grew up affects the way I view the world. I’m still grounded in my hometown. On the show, we look south and west with everything we cover. You have to think of your audience. Rather than talking about them, we talk with them. That’s our shared background and vision. Sean is extremely down to earth and generous.”

McDowell said the show is not financially based, but steeped in business.

She said Duffy’s experience as a former U.S. Congressman, he understands policy as well as financial matters.

“Every decision in America is born of policy,” she said. “On the show, we bring that to our show. Talk about the news of the day.”

This is different from anything McDowell has done in the past.

“It’s a two-anchor show in the evening,” she explained. “This is not taking place during market hours. We tie all the business happenings together from the day. Again, it’s not about Washington or New York. It’s about the people we grew up with. We talk to them. Build a relationship with them on the air. For me, this is not just sitting in front of a camera. I can run off at the mouth as well as anyone, hang in there with the filibuster.”

McDowell says she is blunt, but hopes she isn’t rude. During a recent interview for the new show she used the terms ‘pig potatoes’ and ‘chapped backsides.’

“Those are terms I just made up,” she said. “I make up a lot of phrases and don’t always know what they mean. I have an entire repertoire of those kinds of phrases.”

Duffy assumed they were southern phrases he had to learn from McDowell, but she assured him she’d never heard them anywhere else.

“I’m just making stuff up,” McDowell said. “You can’t curse. Can’t say BS. At least you shouldn’t say BS on television. You don’t want to say manure. You never want to say something that makes people wince or evokes a smell.”

Dealing with people directly and bluntly seems to come from her mother.

“My mother had grit,” McDowell said. “She was also very kind, never syrupy. I used to say she had no magnolia-mouth.

That’s got to be a southern phrase.

McDowell said her mother was not a servile flatterer, but she was kind. Always there when somebody was in need.

“She had real grit. She’d stand and fight for her friends and family members.”

Her mother passed away after being diagnosed with stage-four cancer.

“She went through unimaginable pain,” McDowell said of her mother. “For nearly six years. You want to talk about somebody who was tough. There was nobody more pugnacious than my mother.”

She explained even with her illness, her mother was always on the go. Continuing to live her life. When questioned about being so active while she was ill, her mother continued to show grit.

“My mother would say she didn’t want to walk around looking like she had cancer. She asked, ‘What choice do I have? I could lay in bed and wait to die, or I can get up and do what I can .’”

McDowell said her mother’s illness taught her to be a caregiver in ways she never could have imagined. Her mother taught her to find moments of joy every single day, in the smallest of things.

“It can be as simple as telling a stranger to have a great day. Treat a perfect stranger with kindness. I do it all day long. I know it sounds corny, but I want to be known as a person who brings a casserole to a friend when they’re ill.”

A one-sheet from Fox tells you McDowell and the culmination of her background is perfect for The Bottom Line. The fact is, it’s true.

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Airing The Tyre Nichols Video Was A Necessity

There were hard moments to watch in those videos, hard sounds to hear. But they aired.

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Far be it for me not to address this outrageous and embarrassing instance in humanity. After the videos of Memphis police brutally beating Tyre Nichols were shown on television there really seemed to be more outrage emerging from society this time than from the media, for a change. One would think that’s how we wish things to be.

In instances like this, where the video and audio images are far from brief but are instead chaptered as they unfold, there are few options other than to let them run their course. Clocks — breaks hard and soft — are out the window, just as in live coverage.

Because that’s what this was, only the live this time was us, and as we all absorbed and reacted to actions disapprovingly familiar yet somehow foreign at the same time, the impact was still becoming apparent even though we already knew the outcome.

It’s happened before.

Not always like this but we’ve seen it before, police encounters shown on the news overtakes and become the news.

It takes effect as the sights and sounds are digested, dissected, and discussed, often before their potential impact could really be imagined.

In 1991, when the Handycam footage crossed screens for the first time and we learned Rodney King’s name, we didn’t know then but we had a feeling.

We were on the right track, though as newsrooms evolved and street reporting incorporated a different type of storytelling.

I was a cop in 1991. Changes came. Some.

It’s 2023, I’m no longer a cop. Changes will come again. Some.

Turning points — or the overused watershed moments — mean just as much to the news media as they do to law enforcement.

The “why’s” that make this a turning point are more society and community based this time around than they were in 1991.

At least I think so. And I don’t think it makes a bit of difference who’s involved this time.

There were hard moments to watch in those videos, and hard sounds to hear. But they aired. Where they couldn’t air, they were described in great detail; descriptions sometimes can be worse than the real thing. Sometimes, not this time.

And they should air, they shouldn’t stop airing. This is what happened and this is what people need to see and hear and this is exactly why we are here.

Warn them, provide them with a heads up that they’re not going to like what happens next. It’s life and we show life, and we show what some of us do with it when it’s someone else’s.

Overall, I would say the news platforms held their composure, even after the videos were released. I saw, read, and heard some refreshingly neutral coverage, even from outlets where I expected hard turns into the lanes on either side of the road.

Legitimate questions were asked by anchors and reporters and much of the time, the off-balance issues were raised more by those on the sidewalks and those on the other side of the cameras and microphones.

As much as I find myself in disagreement with what I often see on the cable networks — all the cable networks — I did find a sense of symmetry watching CNN’s Don Lemon speak with Memphis City Council Chair Martavius Jones in the hours after the videos were released.

Regular protocols be damned, Lemon and producers lingered patiently as Jones, visibly overcome by emotion, struggled to regain breath and composure enough to be able to speak. Rather than cut away or move to other elements, they stood fast and it became an example of what often requires no words.

There were fewer punches pulled on other platforms as well.

The sounds of the screams, the impacts, and the hate-filled commands were broadcast through car radios.

As were Tyre Nichol’s calls for his mom. They aired. They had to.

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Does the Republican Establishment Get It?

For many it seemed that the Republican establishment stood idly by as Democrats changed the rules and worked behind the scenes to alter elections.

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In a move that seemed to go against the wishes of the patriotic American grassroots, the Republican party on Friday re-elected RNC Chairperson Ronna McDaniel. 

The media immediately took notice, as many on television and radio are now wondering why the party would re-elect a chairperson who has been so unpopular with the base of its party. 

Grant Stinchfield discussed this issue Friday night on his program, Stinchfield Tonight, which airs on Real America’s Voice network.

“Ronna McDaniel holds on to her chairmanship of the Republican Party. By a whopping total of — what were the numbers– 111 to 54. Harmeet Dhillon only received 54 votes. Mike Lindell 4 votes. This is proof to me that the Republican establishment is dug in,” Stinchfield — formerly of Newsmax — said. “Don’t tell me they’re out of touch. See, you tell me they’re out of touch, that implies ignorance. They’re not ignorant about anything.”

As sentiment for Dhillon grew in the days leading up to Friday’s vote, many influential politicians and party donors publicly offered her their support and endorsement. These included Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), as well as donors Mike Rydin, Dick Uihlein, and Bernie Marcus.

Also on board were musician and outspoken conservative John Rich, along with the state GOP of Nebraska and Washington State. Countless journalists and media personalities, such as Charlie Kirk, Miranda Divine, and Lou Dobbs, also came out publicly in support of Dhillon. Former President Donald Trump remained neutral, not making a public choice of either of the three candidates.

For many of Dhillon’s supporters, the deciding factor was public sentiment across the party’s base.

“They’re reading the same chat boards. They’re getting the same emails I’m reading. I will literally post something about this race when I was supporting Harmeet Dhillon. There was not one comment – not one – that supported Ronna McDaniel. Everyone wanted change,” Stinchfield said, noting that the party elite saw the same groundswell of support for change.

“Now, nobody has an issue as Ronna McDaniel is some evil kind of person. I don’t believe she is. I believe, though, that she is part of the establishment. She’s been around too long as far as the establishment goes. And she’s been ingrained in doing business as usual. It’s not working.”

In making their choices known, many Dhillon supporters simply pointed to the scoreboard during McDaniel’s reign.

“Think about where we are. 2018, we lost the House. 2020, we lost everything. 2022, we won the House, but we should have really steamrolled the House and we should have taken back the Senate, which we didn’t do,” Stinchfield said. “That means we’re on a real losing track since she took over. I don’t like being on a losing track. I like being on a winning track.

“Something has got to change when you talk about all of this. So how does Ronna McDaniel get 111 votes and Harmeet Dhillon only get 54 votes, when everyone, every Republican voter I talk to said it was time for change?” pondered Stinchfield.

And even more than the losses, for many it seemed that the Republican establishment stood idly by as Democrats changed the rules and worked behind the scenes to alter elections. The most recent example of which came in Arizona, where presumptive gubernatorial favorite, Kari Lake, was “defeated” when countless voting irregularities occurred in some of the state’s most deep-red areas.

“Under her watch, Democrats instituted a mail-in ballot scheme. That may be even worse than losing, when you talk about the House and the Senate and all these things. The fact that we now have a junk mail-in ballot scheme across the country under Ronna McDaniel’s watch is serious trouble. Very serious trouble,” Stinchfield said on Friday. “And so the reason it is is because the Democrats are rigging the system.”

For years – until Donald Trump descended the golden escalator and took the world by storm – the Republican party had the reputation of being the party of the rich. Rush Limbaugh used to refer to this wing of Republicans as “the country club crowd.” President Donald Trump flipped the narrative completely, offering a clear vision of hope and patriotism to working-class America.

Reputable polling — such as Richard Baris’ Big Data Poll — consistently showed Trump running well ahead of almost every Republican candidate during the 2022 mid-term election cycle. In other words, Trump still maintains considerably more support across the country than most of the individual Senate or House candidates experienced.

Many experts believe this is because voters still view Trump as an outsider, while they view the Republican party much less favorably.

“Let’s tell you how out of touch they are, how elitist they are,” Stinchfield said, calling out the GOP establishment. “This meeting that went on, do you know where it is? It’s at the Waldorf Astoria Monarch in California. One of the most expensive resorts in America. You’re lucky if you get a room for a thousand dollars a night down there on Dana Point. Now, it’s a beautiful hotel, but why is the Republican Party holding an event there? Then I went back and I looked at what RedState did. RedState went back and looked at some of the expenses that the Republican Party under Ronna McDaniel’s leadership was spending money on.

“Take a look at this. $3.1 million on private jets. $1.3 million on limousine and chauffeur services. $17.1 million on donor mementos. $750,000 on floral arrangements. Now you compare this to the Democrats. The Democrats spent $35,000 on private airfare. A thousand dollars on floral arrangements. A thousand. Not $750,000. A thousand. And the $17.1 million they spent on donor mementos, the Democrats spent $1.5 million.

“Democrats know where to put the money. It’s not giving donors gifts. Donors shouldn’t want gifts. If you give money, give money. You don’t need the fancy pin to put on your lapel.”

Following her loss, Dhillon warned her party that it must listen to the base, saying, “if we ignore this message, I think it’s at our peril. It’s at our peril personally, as party leaders and it’s at our peril for our party in general.”

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