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Robert Griffin III Wants to Tell Your Story the Right Way

“Even if I do know you personally, I’m not going to bring that to the broadcast because that’s not my job.”

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During last season’s VRBO Fiesta Bowl, Robert Griffin III was part of ESPN’s alternate telecast at field level alongside Pat McAfee. Suddenly, the Heisman Trophy winner took a phone call. Once he hung up the phone, Griffin divulged that his wife had gone into labor and proceeded to sprint off of the field to catch a flight. An ESPN cameraperson documented his run and jubilation as he returned home to welcome his daughter, Gia, into the world. It encapsulated just what motivates Griffin to appear on television and discuss football, and why he is one of ESPN’s budding talents with the chance to make an impact on sports media and his community for years to come.

“This was an opportunity for me to go out and be different in the way that the media covers the players and truly get to the bottom of telling the players’ stories the right way,” Griffin said. “I look at this as an opportunity to do that.”

Griffin was a three-sport athlete as a student at Copperas Cove High School, and ultimately broke Texas state records in track and field. In addition to that, he played basketball and was the starting quarterback for the school’s football team as a junior and senior, drawing attention from various schools around the country. He ended up graduating high school one semester early and quickly became a star at Baylor University in both football and track and field.

Robert Griffin III’s nascent talent was hardly inconspicuous, evidenced by being named the 2008 Big 12 Conference Offensive Freshman of the Year and then, three years later, the winner of the Heisman Trophy. In the end, he graduated having set or tied 54 school records and helped the program to its first bowl game win in 19 years.

Ultimately, he transitioned to the NFL in a career with many trials and tribulations, but through it all, he never lost his sense of persistence. Nearly a decade later, he returned to college, but this time as a member of the media covering the game from afar. Unlike a majority of former players though, Griffin did not formally retire from playing football when inking a broadcasting contract with ESPN.

“I haven’t retired yet at all,” he said. “I tell everyone that asks me the question that I train every day [and] I’m prepared to play if that call does come. I’ve had some talks with teams over the past two years; just nothing has come to fruition.”

While Griffin’s focus as a broadcaster is undeniable, he never thought about seriously pursuing sports media until his broadcast agent pushed him to do so. He was urged to take an audition at FOX Sports. Griffin broke down highlights and called a mock NFL game alongside lead play-by-play announcer Kevin Burkhardt. He was not prepared for that second part, but impressed executives and precipitously realized a career in the space may not be so outlandish after all. 

Griffin then moved to ESPN where he experienced a similar audition process, this time calling a game with play-by-play announcer Rece Davis. Once the audition concluded, it was determined that Griffin would not only begin working in the industry, but that he would be accelerated because of his ability to communicate in an informative and entertaining style.

As a player, he saw the way media members covered teams – sometimes bereft of objectivity – and therefore saw assimilating into the industry as a chance to change that. Now, he is focused on telling the stories of the players en masse while being prepared to pivot at a moment’s notice.

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ESPN’s intention was to implement Griffin on its studio coverage, but once executives heard him in the broadcast booth, the company had a palpable shift in its thinking. He was told he was ready to go out into the field and start calling games immediately, something of a surprise to him. FOX Sports felt similarly. This led to a bidding war between the two entities, which ultimately concluded with Griffin inking a contract with ESPN. He appeared over its airwaves plenty of times as a player, and even participated on a variety of studio shows in 2018 where he was almost permanently placed on NFL Live. This time around though, Griffin was suddenly preparing to work with Mark Jones and Quint Kessenich on college football games. He did not have time to consider the implications of the decision, instead diving headfirst into the craft and remaining focused on what was to come with producer Kim Belton and director Anthony DeMarco at his side.

“These guys took me under their wing, and I’m beyond indebted to them for that,” Griffin said of his colleagues. “They taught me everything that I know about the industry. They taught me everything I know about how to present things to the masses to where it can be easily digestible. They’ve allowed me to allow my personality to shine through.”

Demonstrating his personality was a facet of his makeup Griffin felt was inhibited by playing professional football, but he knows it would have been considerably more difficult to attain a chance to cover the game had he not laced up his cleats. Calling college football games with Jones accentuated his comfort in the booth because of Jones’ adept skill to appeal to the viewers and penetrate beyond the sport.

“He has the way to connect different generations of listeners to hear what he’s saying and perceive it in the same way,” Griffin said. “To me, that’s what we all strive to do in this industry is to be able to find the connective tissue between the fan who is 60 or 70 years old, and the fan who’s in their late teens or early 20s.”

From the beginning, everyone told Griffin to be himself and not adopt an alternate persona in front of the camera. That advice has guided him as he approaches his third year working in the industry.

“It is so hard to maintain a character or try to be someone that you’re not, but if you are who you are every single day, then every time you show up on camera you will be that person,” Griffin said. “I’ve made sure that when I stepped foot in front of that camera, I was going to be myself.”

Griffin identifies his style as pedagogical to a degree, critiquing players as if he was coaching them on the sidelines. He will never look to penetrate beyond football with his criticism, as drawing conclusions and using unrelated parlance could be viewed as indecorous. In short, Griffin III knows what it means to represent ESPN.

“We’re not a gossip website. We’re supposed to be critically acclaimed, prestigious journalists, and at the end of the day, that’s how I try to approach the job that I do. That’s why I got into the business – because I felt like there was a little of that going on, especially during my career, so I would never do to somebody else what was done to me.”

Over the course of his NFL career, Griffin was subject to immense criticism that went significantly beyond the gridiron. For example, sports commentator Rob Parker suggested that Griffin was not fully representative of the Black community and proceeded to question if he was a “cornball brother.” The incident resulted in Parker receiving a 30-day suspension from ESPN, and after he defended his comments and blamed First Take producers in a subsequent interview, the network decided not to renew his contract.

“My goal as a member of the media is to tell players’ stories the right way, and if I don’t know you personally, I’m never going to make it personal,” Griffin said. “Even if I do know you personally, I’m not going to bring that to the broadcast because that’s not my job.”

In addition to broadcasting college football games with Jones on ESPN and ABC, he also appears on-site for Monday Night Countdown, the network’s pregame show leading up to Monday Night Football. Making the decision to add NFL coverage to his slate of responsibilities meant that Griffin would be able to tell more stories and utilize his knowledge of players during their collegiate careers to enhance the broadcast.

The energy that he felt attending tailgates and interacting with fans at the college level gave him a unique skill set to translate to the NFL side, leading him to present the production team with an unparalleled idea for Week 1. He wanted to race Taima the Hawk, the live game mascot for the Seattle Seahawks who flies around Lumen Field prior to the start of each home game. It was an outlandish idea, but one that made sense for television because of the visual appeal it can present.

“If you know anything about hawks, they can fly up to 120-140 miles per hour, so they’re like, ‘There’s no way he’s going to beat this hawk in a race, but we’ll do it,’” Griffin said. “To that crew’s credit, they never once balked at any of the creative ideas that I brought to the table because they want to try different things and be exciting and have fun on the show.”

Griffin ended up winning the race, commencing the new season of Monday Night Countdown with immediate excitement before the Seahawks’ matchup against the Denver Broncos. He thoroughly enjoyed his first year on the show and having the chance to work alongside Suzy Colber, Adam Schefter, Booger McFarland, Steve Young, Larry Fitzgerald and Alex Smith. 

“They always tell me, ‘Hey, anything you’re not comfortable with, you just let us know and we won’t do that thing,’” Griffin said of the show’s producers. “My answer always back to them is, ‘Well, I won’t know if I’m uncomfortable with it if I don’t try.’”

While Griffin had what looked like a seamless assimilation into the broadcasting world, he had a difficult moment when using a racial slur on live television in discussing Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts. The clip quickly gained traction across the internet, and Griffin issued an apology on his Twitter account for using the pejorative language and claimed that he misspoke.

“I was shocked that it came out in the way that it did, and I immediately jumped on it and apologized because there’s no need to deny,” he said. “You messed up. You move forward, and I think that’s the easiest way to get over those types of things and to get back on your feet.”

The football season at both the college and professional level is undoubtedly a grind, and it requires a combination of dedication, passion and persistence few people possess. Robert Griffin III has garnered the reputation of being an “overpreparer,” often partaking in considerably more information than necessary to execute a broadcast. The information he consumes and conclusions he draws combined with his experience at both levels has cultivated him into a knowledgeable analyst who makes cogent, intelligible points on the air.

“I over-prepare for everything, and 70% of the information that I soak in going into a game or going into a broadcast for Monday Night Countdown, I don’t use because there’s just not enough air time,” Griffin III said. “There’s not enough opportunities to talk on it all.” 

At the same time, he makes a concerted effort to make the most of his time with his family and separate himself from the field, engaging in activities including playing ping pong, going to the movies and supporting his children. He also embarks in charity work through his RG3 Foundation and strives to teach his daughters the importance of giving back. The mission of the nonprofit foundation is to discover and design programs for underprivileged youth, struggling military families and victims of domestic violence, and it has made a significant impact since it was launched in 2015.

“Trying to end food insecurity; making sure that our under-resourced youth have access to the things that they need just to survive – talking about food, clothes, books, the ability to learn [and] putting on these after-school programs,” Griffin elucidated in describing the organization’s mission. “We want to have an impact on our community. We mean that with everything in us and have shown that to be the true case of why we do this.”

Griffin’s wife, Grete, serves as the executive director of the foundation and also runs her own fitness business. Staying physically and mentally in shape is something they actively try to accomplish in their everyday lives, and lessons they are passing down to their daughters.

“I’m 33 years old right now, so if I want to continue to train every single day, I can do that for the next 10 years if I need to,” Griffin said. “Not taking hits and being physically fit is also a good thing for your own health, which is something me and my wife are extremely passionate about.”

Although his experience is in playing football and working in sports media, Robert Griffin III does not believe in limiting himself and would consider exploring opportunities outside of sports and entertainment. He wants to become the best broadcaster possible no matter where he is working in the industry and continue finding new ways to be distinctive en masse.

“We’re storytellers,” he said. “We’re here to break down things [and] to tell people a story the right way; things that people are interested in, and that expands across all media levels. We’re not closing the door on anything from that standpoint.”

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While he was playing in the NFL, Griffin dealt with a variety of injuries that ultimately kept him off the football field and made it difficult to display his talents. Ranging from an ACL tear, shoulder scapula fracture and hairline fracture in his right thumb, staying healthy was a challenge for him over the time he played in the NFL. 

Through surgeries and rehabilitation, he learned how to face and overcome these challenges. It has shaped him into the broadcaster and person he is today as he looks to set a positive example to aspiring football players and broadcasters everywhere.

“The eight-year career that I was able to have thus far didn’t come without roadblocks in the way [and] didn’t come without adversity. Learn from the adversity that you go through and learn from all the things and the lessons that you have that sports teaches you, and then go be able to present that to the masses.”

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Jim Boeheim Made a Career Out of Treating Media Poorly, But Now Wants In on the Action

You have now become what you once despised and loathed. Maybe you didn’t understand the impact or importance of the relationship when you played or coached, but now you’re one of us. It borders on hypocrisy.

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For the first time in nearly half a century, former Syracuse basketball coach Jim Boeheim is starting a new job. After 47 seasons with the Orange, Boeheim began his broadcasting career earlier this week, after agreeing to a deal with ESPN, ACC Network, and Westwood One.

On the surface, it’s great news for basketball fans, who now get to hear what a coach who won over 1,000 games has to say. For others, especially those in the media, welcoming in this new voice comes with a little trepidation. Why?

I’m not sure that Jim Boeheim has the same assessment about how he treated the media. He felt like defending himself was necessary, but it went past that on many occasions. It’s hard for some in the business to understand why companies bring in people that treated their own reporters like crap in the past.

I know that Boeheim isn’t the only former coach or player who didn’t treat the media with respect and now becomes a member himself. Now, he’ll debate, I’m sure as others have, that they aren’t the media just because they’re on television or radio now. Here’s the thing: You are. You have now become what you once despised and loathed. Maybe you didn’t understand the impact or importance of the relationship when you played or coached, but now you’re one of us. It borders on hypocrisy. It makes me wonder how he decided to join ESPN following a long coaching career.

Former NFL receiver Randy Moss joined the ranks back in 2013. Moss had a mercurial relationship with the Minnesota media over his career. Some of it was not on him, but nonetheless, he was quick to distance himself from the moniker of “media member”.

He told Sports Illustrated, “I don’t like that term. I am not part of the media. That’s not my label, and I don’t want it to start now. I love the game of football, and this is just a new way for me to be part of the game.”

I get it, but when your paycheck comes from a media company, well, you’re the media. Maybe not in the same respect that a reporter or anchor is, but still the media.

Jim Boeheim surely had his issues with the media through several memorable run-ins over the years. He called out journalists for their questions. He’s questioned their integrity and seemed to enjoy belittling reporters when he had the opportunity. That’s fine, it’s his prerogative, and perhaps some stories run deeper than the surface level with the reporters. I don’t claim to know that. Maybe the parties came to an understanding after the press conference was over. Great. But again, why does it have to come to what it did with Boeheim?

Of the many clashes with the press, one in particular came in 2013 when Andy Katz, then of ESPN, tried to ask a question following a Syracuse loss to Connecticut. Katz asked what the UConn series meant to him, and Jim Boeheim refused to answer the question saying, “I’ll answer anybody’s question but yours.” Instead, he went all in on his feelings about Katz. Calling Katz “an idiot and really being a disloyal person.”

Katz later said he believed Boeheim’s feelings stemmed from Katz’s reporting on Bernie Fine, the former coach at Syracuse who was accused of sexual abuse by two former ball boys on ESPN’s Outside the Lines and was terminated.

There were many other ‘dust-ups’ with veteran reporters, but Boeheim seemed to save his worst venom for student journalists who are learning the ropes. Young aspiring journalists seemed to be better than a postgame spread for a hungry coach.

Just last season, student reporter Sam Corcoran asked Boeheim for the status of Benny Williams after the sophomore was absent from the game against Virginia. Media members had been told that Boeheim would address Williams’ absence after the game. When Boeheim did not discuss Williams in his opening statement, Corcoran asked, “Coach, what’s the status on Benny Williams?”

Boeheim immediately lost his cool.

“Is that your question?” Boeheim said. “Is that the most important question you have?”

The coach followed it up by telling Corcoran his attitude, “isn’t really good either.”

Come on. Syracuse is a ‘media school.’ This is where students go to learn and Jim Boeheim knows that. It didn’t stop another run-in with a student came after the team lost by four points to North Carolina and student reporter John Eads asked the coach why he thought the team couldn’t close out tight games. Instead of answering the question, Boeheim responded with, “We’re done,” and exited the press conference.

Other things have shown Boeheim’s distaste for the media. It has been inferred, though not proven, that he had a hand in the firing of Syracuse radio personality Brent Axe in March. Axe worked for Galaxy Media, a company that Boeheim is a partner in station ownership. Axe was let go because the President and CEO Ed Levine did not like the way Axe covered the Orange.

I’ve been in enough press conference settings and around many coaches who have suffered through bad seasons or bad games. Every once in a while, there’s a tipping point and things go sideways. But at the same time, I watched Michael Jordan answer questions, night after night, that were much worse than those, with class and dignity. Not trying to embarrass the questioner, of course not knowing that individual’s story or experience level.

We have a job to do. So does he. Look, I’m not intending to just pick on Jim Boeheim here. He’s the focus because he’s the latest that has clashed with the media in a previous life, only to become a member of the club. There are hundreds of these cases.

The late Bobby Knight was a nightmare for reporters over his time at Indiana. He often told reporters he hated the media. Knight was once quoted as saying, “All of us learn to write in the second grade,” he said of the media. “Most of us go on to greater things.” Knight made a good analyst though due to his personality. You never knew what he might say, so it was always ‘tune-in worthy’. But still, a man who made it known how much he despised media, joined the ranks.

Deion Sanders was one of the few to play in both the NFL and MLB as a pro. When he was playing for the Braves and Falcons at the same time, it was football season, and this meant that it was also the postseason in the major leagues. The Falcons had a regular-season game scheduled on the same day as the Braves’ playoff game. Sanders opted to play in the football game and received criticism from broadcaster Tim McCarver. As a response, Sanders tossed cold ice water all over McCarver. Sanders was a high-profile media star that critiqued many a player. There are and were many others as well.

Media training as these players and coaches are coming up the ranks would help this situation. Understanding the role of the media in the success of the league’s each is playing/coaching in, would provide some good perspective. Everybody has a bad day, but many of these individuals were repeat offenders and now are trying to extend their careers in a field they loathed.

I’m not rooting against Jim Boeheim. I wish him the best in his new line of work. His insight and experience level could enhance the broadcasts he does. That’s not in debate. It just makes me a little weary and causes me to shake my head in derision, every time someone that showed such disrespect to the profession, becomes one of us.

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Rod Lakin Sees the Power of 94WIP on Display Every Day

“It’s crazy. WIP, I’ve never in my career seen a station so ingrained with the community.”

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Think about your biggest change in life. When did it occur and how big of a change was it? Was it relocating for school or work? Did it involve something more serious like death or divorce? We all experience major changes in life. How we respond to those changes reveals a lot about us as individuals. For 94WIP program director Rod Lakin, one of the biggest changes he’s ever experienced was moving from sunny Phoenix to the City of Brotherly Love. That’s like going from the chill vibes of a Phish concert, to being thrown straight into the mosh pit at a Lamb of God show.

Lakin didn’t just change addresses and get used to less sun. Immediately after beginning his new gig, Angelo Cataldi, an iconic host in Philly for 30 years, revealed his plans to retire. The major change box was officially checked for both Lakin and WIP.

Since that time, Rod Lakin and WIP have pivoted beautifully. The lineup is strong. The ratings are great. Life is good. We always talk about quarterbacks being cool under fire. Can you imagine if a program director like Lakin panicked during challenging times? WIP wouldn’t be where it is today if that were the case.

In the conversation below, Rod Lakin talks about the challenges he experienced while relocating across the country. He reveals the time he was most nervous as a PD. Lakin also shares excellent stories about Bryce Harper and a multitasking police officer. Only in Philly. Enjoy!

Brian Noe: How long did it take for you to feel comfortable in a new market over there in Philly?

Rod Lakin: I was out here on my own for the first few months. My family was back in Phoenix. That gave me a good chance to get to know all the people here and get a good understanding of the market and the way it worked. I think probably by the end of the year. I felt pretty good, like I was in a good place in terms of just understanding the way the city worked and the station. It took me a few months.

BN: I would think going from Phoenix to Philly is a huge change. Would you say it was as great as you expected it to be?

RL: Oh, definitely as great. My timing was good just because in Phoenix, the last summer I was there, the Suns were in the NBA Finals against the Bucks. It was just crazy. You’ve got to remember too, that was coming out of the pandemic. People were in the stands for the first time. It was the first time there were large-scale crowds again. The energy for that series was just completely nuts.

I remember thinking at the time, “I just love this, and this is what you want to be doing every day”. And then you come out to Philadelphia, and it is every day. These fans just get into it whether it’s Eagles, Phillies, Sixers, or anything else, they live and die by their teams.

BN: You were in Phoenix when the Suns came so close against the Bucks. You were also in Philly when the Eagles came so close to beating the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. When you think about those two outcomes, which was the bigger disappointment?

RL: Oh, man, that’s tough. That’s tough because the Suns have never won a championship before. For people that grew up in Phoenix, it’s like their first love because that was really the first professional sports team in Phoenix. But the Eagles one, that was crushing. Just to come so close. I went to the game. It was fun for me just to be back in my hometown, and then see the Eagles in the Super Bowl. It was the first time I had been to a Super Bowl. It was soul-crushing. So I don’t know, I’m not going to pick. I’m just going to say they were both equally bad.

BN: How about the challenge of losing Angelo Cataldi and not missing a beat? How has that been for you and the station?

RL: I mean, it’s been great. The new morning show has done a great job and that’s a huge task. We talked about it when we made the change, I knew Angelo was an institution out here, but I don’t even think I could really grasp how big he was until we made the announcement. Then we had the final show. What he meant to the city over the last 30 years, it’s just incredible.

So, yeah, to have a morning show come in with those kind of expectations and filling those kind of shoes, and to have the success that we’ve had, I think has been great. I think it’s gone better than any of us had a right to expect. It’s been nice.

BN: When Angelo moved on from doing a daily show, did you think about him being a guest once a week or having some type of presence on the station?

RL: Yeah, sure. Yeah, you have to think about all of that. But, ultimately, it comes down to the person too. Angelo, when he retired, was writing a book, which is out now. LOUD, it’s a great book. It’s on AngeloCataldi.com, or on Amazon bookstores. It’s really good book. He wanted to dive headfirst into his book. That was really where he was at the time.

Then for us, we wanted to place all energy in the new show. So yeah, we had discussed a couple of different options, whether it’s calling in or just having a semi-regular role at the station. But at the end of the day, he wanted to do his book and we wanted to get started on the new chapter for WIP. We’ve had him on, he’s been back promoting his book for the last month or so. We’ve had him on all the shows. It’s been great to hear his voice again.

BN: What convinced you that the current lineup was the best for the brand moving forward?

RL: Well, with Joe [DeCamara] and Jon [Ritchie], I knew that they already had a really good existing show. I felt like the pieces were in place to make it go to the next level. They have a good sense of humor. It was really about getting that show to the next level, adding complementary pieces because that had been a big part of Angelo’s show as well with contributors. Just putting it all together and making sure that we’re supporting it fully.

For middays, to have an opportunity to bring someone like Hugh Douglas back to Philadelphia was great. Joe Giglio, who has been doing evenings at WIP for a number of years, was ready to take that next step. Then putting them together and seeing that instant chemistry, it really worked.

I didn’t tell them, but Hugh came into town because he was inducted into the Eagles Hall of Fame almost about a year ago, I had him come in studio with Joe when he was doing his evening show. It was a tryout for me. They didn’t know about it. I could tell they had really good chemistry from the beginning. And then [Jon] Marks & [Ike] Reese in the afternoon, have been doing great all along.

I just knew that the pieces seemed to fit the culture, too. Hugh being somebody that everybody knew and worked at WIP previously. That was a really like, turnkey option for me too. I think it’s been great.

BN: How would you describe what it’s like to hear chemistry? What does that sound like to you?

RL: Yeah, it’s hard to say. It’s not anything you can really describe fully, you just kind of have to have an instinct for it. I guess the best way I could put it is, if you put somebody on the show and it sounds like they’re just being interviewed, as opposed to you putting somebody on the show and it sounds like they’re having a conversation. That really is the big difference, I think. And with Hugh, like I was saying before when he came in last year, when he and Joe did that hour together, it was supposed to be an interview. But really, it turned into a conversation.

BN: How do you think working for Arizona Sports and Bonneville prepared you for WIP and Audacy?

RL: Well, first of all, my old job in Arizona, it was just great because on the partnership level, they had all the teams. That really taught me early on the importance of these partnerships. Coming out here to WIP, we have two great partners with the Eagles and the Phillies, I had a lot of muscle memory on situations I dealt with in Arizona. That taught me a lot. And just the great leaders that I had there. Scott Sutherland and Ryan Hatch were mentors and they helped prepare me for future success.

I often fall back on lessons that they taught me, especially getting out here in the beginning, they were really good resources to talk to and help me. It’s a big change. Until I moved out to Philadelphia about two and a half years ago, I lived in Arizona. [Laughs] I never lived anyplace else. So it was a big shock for me.

BN: Working with all of those professional franchises in Phoenix and Philadelphia, what’s the most nervous you’ve been as a programmer?

RL: The last example I can think of, and it was here, I came in to make the announcement for the new morning show, and I had to sit across from Angelo as he interviewed me about the change and all of that. I was just so intimidated. He’s just this larger-than-life guy. I wanted to make sure that I was conveying to the city of Philadelphia why I thought this is the right choice. He made me take a phone call from a fan. I had to actually act like a host, take this guy’s call, and ask him questions and all that. That’s probably the most nerve-wracking thing I can remember recently.

BN: I can just imagine Angelo. Did he try to make you nervous on purpose?

RL: It’s a whole story. At one point, he had a program director that he brought on the air to take calls, and it didn’t go very well. I think the program director told one of the callers to go to hell or something.

BN: [Laughs]

RL: So it was kind of like a bit, he wanted me to do it. Obviously, I wasn’t going to do that. But I remember when the guy called in, he introduced the caller, and I don’t even know what I said. I remember Angelo just like motioning to me like, “Alright, keep going, ask him another question, keep this thing moving”. I was like “Oh my God.” It was very purposeful on his part. For sure.

BN: Can you think of a funny bit or anything over the years that one of your hosts did that you thought was hilarious?

RL: Funny bit. I’m sure there are many. There are stories I could think of that are probably not appropriate to talk to you about.

BN: [Laughs] What is the most inappropriate yet still appropriate phone call you’ve heard over the years? Meaning the guy wasn’t cussing, you didn’t have to dump it, but you were like, wow, this is pretty wild right now?

RL: Well, recently, before the Dallas/Eagles game, we had a caller on the midday show. He was just going on this epic anti-Cowboys rant and how much this rivalry means and how much he hates the Cowboys. Then all of a sudden you hear this little sound. It’s like a police siren. It was a police officer who’s pulling somebody over as he was talking and making this big Cowboys rant.

BN: Oh, that’s great. Man, you know you’re in a hardcore sports town when that’s the case.

RL: Seriously. Yeah, and we had Jason Kelce on the morning show. He calls in on Wednesdays. He said that Nick Sirianni, the Eagles coach, played the clip of that on WIP to the team before the Dallas game just to get them fired up.

BN: Oh, wow. How big of a compliment is that to your station?

RL: Yeah, it’s awesome. We’ve had a few, like Bryce Harper. We have this great caller Chuck from Mt. Airy who calls in on some of the shows. He was talking about Bryce Harper. Then Bryce Harper hit a home run that night and then in the postgame talked about how he hit it for Chuck.

It’s crazy. WIP, I’ve never in my career seen a station so ingrained with the community. To have one of the biggest stars in baseball listen to WIP first of all, which he does, and then make a point in the postgame show to say that he hit a home run for one of our callers, I don’t think that happens anyplace else.

BN: How about for you personally, just future goals? Do you think long-term or the next day?

RL: Yeah, next day. You go through a situation like I went through where you move cross-country to the huge powerhouse, sports radio brand. Then, a week later, the guy that’s been doing morning drive for the last 30 years says he’s going to retire. That’s enough. Just the expectations of living up to my predecessors here and making sure we’re putting out a quality product for the audience. Especially right now with the Eagles and the Phillies having such great seasons.

We have these great market conditions. For me, every day is just how do you execute the opportunity? That’s what I focus on.

BN: When you started off your sports radio career, if someone would’ve told you, “Look, man, this is the way it’s going to go. You’re going to be in Phoenix programming a great station. Then you’re going to go to Philly and you’re going to be programming WIP.” If someone had told you that, what would have been your reaction?

RL: I would have been really surprised. [Laughs] I didn’t really know early on in my career whether or not I was going to pursue something on air or behind the scenes. Certainly, the idea of being a program director was not on my radar at that time. It was only until I became an executive producer in Phoenix, and I got to know a lot of the great program directors around the country that I really started thinking about that as being a viable career path for me.

So yeah, I would’ve been pretty stunned if you told me I’d be in Philadelphia right now talking Eagles and Phillies with you, and moving my family across the country. That would not have been something I would’ve expected, but I’m happy.

BN: I’m glad you’re happy. It’s funny, man, because if I were in your shoes, I would be like, man, how are they going to treat me? How are they going to react? Are they going to be like, this guy is from Phoenix? What are we doing? It sounds like you didn’t feel like that at all.

RL: I mean, I didn’t. I’m sure there were people that were thinking that. I know I would’ve if I were here. But everybody from the beginning was very receptive to what I had to say. It wasn’t like I was coming in saying, all right, here we go, let me show you how we did things in Arizona. I came in to listen and just to align and enhance the brand here. I think we’ve landed in a good place.

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Does Mark Cuban See a Bubble That is About to Burst in Sports Media?

“The now-former Shark Tank star has a good track record of identifying the ideal time to bail.”

Demetri Ravanos

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Mark Cuban sees a bubble ready to burst
Mark Cuban image courtesy Sports Illustrated

America’s top professional and college sports leagues have been living on easy street for the last ten years. Whenever their broadcast rights come up for negotiations, the NFL, NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball, the SEC and the Big Ten have been able to count on a line of bidders eager to get in on the action. 

That party may be close to over though. Amin Elhassan of Meadowlark Media said last week that Mark Cuban may be the first to see it and that is why he is ready to sell off his majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks.

“That whole streaming money that everyone’s been talking about for years, like, ‘oh, when this next TV deal is up, it doesn’t even matter if Disney and Turner aren’t ponying up.’ ‘Oh, Amazon and Netflix are going to come in and just dump billions of dollars,’” he told co-host Charlotte Wilder on their Oddball podcast. “That’s not been the case. So I think Mark Cuban’s looking and he’s saying, ‘oh, this is the bubble and the bubble is about to burst.’”

He then pointed out that everyone in the NBA should be concerned if Cuban is the one with that vision. The now-former Shark Tank star has a good track record of identifying the ideal time to bail.

“He founded this thing called Broadcast.com,” Elhassan explained. “They pioneered the technology that allows people to stream video on the Internet. The reason why you’re able to watch anything on your phone, tablet or computer is because Mark Cuban and the company that he founded. He founded it and he sold it and within a few months, the dot com bubble crashed and that he made out like a bandit and everybody else was like Pets.com. ‘Ahhhh! We broke!’ So I definitely to me, it feels like the ship be sinking and ‘let me get off before everyone starts to figure it out and clamor.’”

Now, it should be noted that Cuban was recently asked about keeping the Mavericks a family business and passing control of the franchise down to his kids one day. 

“I wouldn’t put them through it,” he said on a recent edition of All the Smoke. He then went on to explain that team owners need to court investments from real estate developers. 

“That’s where the money is going be coming from potentially,” citing expensive real estate deals like the ones to get new areas for the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers.

It’s very possible that Cuban doesn’t see the single majority shareholder model as a viable way to own and run a team anymore. It’s also possible he just wants to enjoy being rich and not have as many responsibilities. It was on that same episode of All the Smoke that the 65-year-old revealed his time on ABC’s reality show Shark Tank is coming to an end.

But this is a sports media site. We pour over rights deals and potential deals looking for justification or game changing strategy. Let’s dive into the idea that Cuban sees a bubble that is about to burst.

If Amin Elhassan is right, and that is indeed how Cuban feels, he is not alone. 97.1 The Ticket’s Mike Valenti said the same thing earlier this year, although his prediction was less about the demand diminishing and more about customer dissatisfaction with the product.

Valenti’s point is that leagues’ rights will not hold their value if the streamers and networks they sell to make it hard for fans to see the games. The NFL is putting playoff games behind a paywall. Regular season action in Major League Baseball, the NHL, and college sports are already there.

Puck News founder and former editor of The Hollywood Reporter Matthew Belloni disagrees. He told me that the willingness to allow some big games to be streaming exclusives actually makes a league’s rights more valuable to media companies in 2023.

“There’s a big push in the entire streaming industry right now to raise profits, even at the expense of growing subscriber numbers and usage,” he told me via email. “Using premium sports, the top driver of subscription and engagement, to increase profitability, makes perfect sense. All these games *should* be behind a paywall. Thats where they will benefit their broadcaster most, even if the leagues might want greater accessibility.”

Cuban and other owners are yet to settle on new broadcast deals for the NBA. Commissioner Adam Silver may have been overly optimistic in insisting that the league could triple its current revenue in its next TV rights deals, but he and team owners have been willing and eager to look at new revenue streams and more modern broadcast deals in order to help them get there.

Still, it’s hard not to think about two outlets when it comes to the NBA on TV – ESPN and TNT. Maybe other networks will get involved in the bidding, but at this point, it is hard to picture a world where those outlets and ABC are not airing NBA games.

Do Disney’s plans for the future of ESPN inch us closer to a bubble bursting for media rights deals? If the network will be a streaming product by 2025, will Bob Iger and Jimmy Pitaro be more conservative with what they are willing to spend money on and how much they are willing to pay?

I asked Belloni if he expected the company’s projections for what ESPN can generate as a streaming product are more likely to make it less agressive with the NBA and other rights deals in the short term.

“It’s not a question of aggressive vs frugal, it’s what does Disney need to compete in sports,” he said. “Iger has said he wants ESPN to be available on streaming by 2025, which isn’t that far away.”

He added that it doesn’t mean that competition stops. Other networks and streamers want in on the NBA. There are major commitments to the NFL, the SEC and others that Disney has to honor as well. Iger and Pitaro are not going to let those get away. They have to sustain the brand’s value no matter what form the network takes.

“Renewing top tier rights like the NBA will be key to that push because ESPN will be an expensive product, but he also should expect less revenue in the short term because making ESPN available digitally will exacerbate cord cutting,” Belloni said. “Hence why he is looking for a deep-pocketed partner to invest in ESPN and help defray the costs of those rights packages.”

Amin Elhassan is an incredibly smart guy. He didn’t simply see Cuban’s sale announced and jumped to the conclusion that a rights bubble is about to burst and he did a great job of explaining that.

He did leave out the part about who is buying Cuban’s stake in the Mavericks and what she plans to do with it. 

Miriam Adelson is a Republican mega donor and widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who’s Las Vegas Sands Corporation built three resorts in Las Vegas and seven other properties across Asia. 

Sports gambling has become a right versus left issue in Texas, with Republicans coming down on the side of “ain’t gonna happen.” Adelson’s investment in the Mavericks is said to include plans for an entertainment and casino complex near Dallas.

Mark Cuban may be “down to Earth for a billionaire,” but he is still a billionaire obsessed with his public image. Remember how furious he was with Draymond Green in 2017 when the Warriors’ star said that the term “team owner” invoked the unpleasant idea of one person owning another? Cuban is not completely abandoning the team. He will continue to run basketball operations in Dallas. If he really saw a rights bubble that was about to burst, it seems more likely that he would want to put as much distance as possible between himself and the perceived failure. 

This deal is not about Cuban’s projections for sports media’s future. It is about Miriam Adelson recognizing an opportunity to wield political influence and add a few billion to her net worth.

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