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Chris Stigall Looks to Listen Rather Than Thinking of Next Destination

Stigall said it’s a skill to actually listen to what guests say instead of thinking ahead to where you want to go next. Then take it in a different direction that can’t be planned.

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There’s nothing worse than a guy who grows a little beard. Tufts of hair in odd places don’t scream masculinity–or even good grooming. Chris Stigall can grow a rather formidable beard, but it comes with its share of grief.

“I couldn’t believe the audacity of people who touched my beard without asking, like people touching a woman’s belly. Now I know what pregnant women mean,” Stigall said. “People wanted to comment whether I solicited their opinion or not. They’d say they dug the beard. Or hated the beard. Always unsolicited.”

He started growing the beard as a Covid protest. “I decided if people were going to act insane, I would lean in and look the part. It got pretty long.”

Stigall took his beloved beard to get trimmed. “She cut it to pieces,” he lamented. “I got really irritated. My kids pointed at me and laughed. So, I started over and shaved it down to the skin. I’ll be damned if my kids didn’t want me to grow it back. They’re used to it now.”

Stigall said he quit drinking 3 ½ years ago, and things have been better all around. “I’ve lost 90 pounds, and I feel great. Now I can wake up functioning, I sleep better, more soundly. I drank entirely too much. Almost every day.”

Since he quit drinking, he’s been more aware. “I’ve become more conscious of everything and everyone. Especially God,” Stigall said.

That awareness has caused him to see the change in humanity as of late. “I can feel the heaviness of it all,” he said. “It’s not all fun and games like it used to be. I feel there is a genuine heaviness among people today. The human spirit is in jeopardy. The collective psyche of our country has taken a lot of hard knocks. When we talk, I feel what they’re feeling.” Of course, I still want to entertain and laugh, but not for zaniness’ sake anymore. I prefer sincerity.”

Stigall’s interest in radio started in 4th grade. He remembers his parents waking up and getting ready for their day.

“My dad was shaving, and my mother was putting on makeup. They were laughing hysterically while listening to a morning show. That made such an impression on me. I recognized the power of that, and I knew I wanted to be part of it. Throughout school, any time I had a chance to announce or broadcast or address an audience, I took it.”

In high school, he tried football. His father was very good at football and played in college. Stigall said he wasn’t that interested in playing the sport but wanted to make his father proud.

“I was a big enough kid, so they put me on the line,” Stigall explained. “If you’ve played the game, you know those guys are hungry for blood, grunting at each other. That wasn’t me. I got mowed over like I was hit by a dump truck.”

Stigall realized he hated playing the sport instantly and tearfully approached his father to break the news after the first game.

“I remember his reaction so well. He asked, ‘Then why are you doing this?’ I told him I wanted to make him proud. He reminded me he never even suggested I play. Ever. It was all in my head. I learned I’m not a physically aggressive guy.”

Stigall said his parents were always supportive of his choice to go into radio. However, his father was adamant about his son finishing school.

“In my sophomore year in college, I was offered a monster 20-grand to work for a morning show in Kansas City with Randy Miller. My father went ballistic. He insisted I finish school first, so I did.”

Randy Miller was huge in the 90s, making big money. He wanted to hire Stigall to produce his show. Stigall interned with him throughout college. Stigall’s radio career has spanned over twenty years as a producer, writer, news anchor, and DJ prior to making the transition to talk radio.

Part of his journey took him to a late-night talk show.

“I was a huge David Letterman fan when I was 16,” Stigall said. “I was enamored with what seemed to be the irreverence of his show and personality. It was also the unconventionality of it all. It wasn’t racy or political. Letterman did bits like The man under the stairs. Jumping against Velcro. Throwing stuff off the roof. It was all benign by today’s standards. I also loved watching awards shows strictly for the hosts. That’s what appealed to me. The person in charge of keeping things moving.”

While in college, he learned The Late Show with David Letterman was looking for interns. He responded to the search and was rejected. They thanked him but told him they were full for the summer. He surmised they were looking for a pedigree, an Ivy League intern. Turns out they discovered over the years they preferred the work ethic of small school, Midwest kids.  

His friends encouraged him to apply again.

“I was in a conventional headspace where you only did your internships during the summer,” Stigall said. “I realized I could also take a semester off instead. I reapplied and was invited to fly out with 30 other kids.”

Stigall interviewed with Letterman’s staff, who whittled it down to 15 students, and he was one of them. Stigall interviewed every department on the show. While sitting with human resources, he was asked which department he wanted to intern.

“I told her I was just happy to be there,” Stigall said. “I knew I might get stuck in the mailroom if I sounded too aggressive. I didn’t want to make a mistake in the interview. She told me to drop the politically correct answers and just tell her which department I wanted. I told her I wanted the writing department. I interned with the writers on the show in the fall of ’98, and it was a high honor.”

He quickly learned show business is terribly cynical. Comedy isn’t all the fun and games you may think it is.

His biggest lesson with the Letterman show? Don’t meet your heroes.

“I’ll just say I had hoped to shake the hand of my hero, David Letterman,” Stigall said. That did not materialize. He figured at that moment; Letterman didn’t have a lot of time for that kind of stuff. Then the interns got a bit of good news. There was a scheduled day on the semester calendar to have Lunch with Dave.

“I thought I was finally going to meet the guy,” Stigall said. After lunch was served, his personal assistant came in and asked, ‘Ok – what questions do you have for Dave that we can answer?’ 

“I was devastated. I did meet him years later at a charity event and I told him I was once his intern. He was lovely. We took a photo, and he gave me his autograph.”

As a result, Stigall said, when he meets young people interested in the business, he goes out of his way to encourage and help them. While Letterman came up short on a personal level, Stigall admires the man’s mastery of the craft.

One of the primary components of being a good host, Stigall said, is an insatiable curiosity more than anything else.

“You have to be able to listen and react. Conan O’Brien is tremendous at it. When guests talk, he takes in every word, just waiting for a word or phrase to knock it out of the park. He hears a keyword in their response and turns that into a joke. That’s been my focus throughout my career.”

Stigall said it’s a skill to actually listen to what guests say instead of thinking ahead to where you want to go next. Then take it in a different direction that can’t be planned.

Stigall is on the air mornings from 6-9 ET in Philadelphia on AM 990 The Answer. After a short break, he broadcasts on KCMO Talk Radio in Kansas City from 10-noon CT.

“It’s really the same type of show in each city,” Stigall explained. “I keep up on the information and goings on in each city. I have very talented producers in both cities to make sure I don’t miss anything.”

He stays abreast of the national issues while his team helps him stay connected to both cities. Stigall said he repurposes a lot of information but needs the local flavor, too.

“That balance helps to get it right. I communicate with my producers by text. We know each other well enough to create a little shorthand with our messages. I’ve been fortunate with great producers.”

The business can cause you to take an inventory of yourself. Stigall talked about Michael Savage when he did a nationally syndicated show.

“There were times Savage was moody and maudlin on the air,” Stigall said. “One day, he described his audience by saying ‘the tent is empty,’ and I knew exactly what he meant. Sometimes you just feel like nobody is listening. You think, ‘it’s summer or the holidays, or people are burned out, and you convince yourself people have checked out. You feel like a psychopath just talking to yourself alone in a room some days.”

Covid has changed the way Stigall sees some things and affected the tone of many of his shows.

“During COVID, I began taking calls from people who were frightened about losing their job or those without a job. People who were genuinely terrified of illness,” Stigall explained. “Or they were scared and hurt for their kids. It was extraordinarily heavy. I personally feel I’m connecting with people like never before. Many people feel like they are in this alone.” He said many are still grieving and stunted. Covid has taken a toll on all of us.

“It seems like sometimes we’re campaigning to keep people away from each other. Psychologically I think it’s the kids who have lost the most, and we’re only beginning to understand it.” 

“I wish I could tell you that I pray every day. I hate that I don’t. That’s one thing I want to improve. I’m surrounded by a wonderful church home and pastor as well as a group of guys who meet once a week on Saturday mornings. I think it’s important we’re all a little vulnerable when we meet. There’s a value in men helping other men through their spiritual walks. We talk about our struggles in our study conversations and in prayer.”

With devotion to his faith, Stigall said he’s grateful to work for the Salem Media Group. “I’m not blowing smoke. I’ve worked for most of the broadcast companies, but Salem is the only faith-first broadcaster in the country,” Stigall said. “We’re very mission-oriented and make no apologies for that. When I signed with them, it became clear my walk with God was steering me that way. He wanted me to have a home where I was free to be fully open.” 

How do listeners in Philadelphia and Kansas City relate to his beliefs?

“I get lovely emails and notes from people who say they appreciate it. Occasionally I’ll get someone who tells me they don’t appreciate what they hear as me’ preaching.’ I earnestly never mean to sound like a sermon. I simply try to explain – when I think it fits – what carries me through when things feel bleak. If you’re lost in despair, what I now try to freely talk about is how Christ helps me. That was never something I did or was encouraged to do most of my career.” 

Stigall said he hasn’t always been on the right side of his faith.

“One of my great failings with my drinking was when I got a DUI several years ago,” Stigall explained. “Fortunately, I didn’t hurt anyone, but that doesn’t excuse it. I was mortified. When I was put in the squad car and detained, the cop was actually listening to my radio station. He recognized me. I’d never been more ashamed of myself in my life.”

He said it was a divine conversation in worship one Sunday when a sermon focused on the question, “do you truly want to get well? Do you mean what you say about your trust in the Lord?” If so, he had to get serious.

“Drinking was my escape. Sometimes the anxiety of our business can get to you. I’m not nuts about being out and social. It’s strangely difficult for me. The mixed company makes me uneasy. I figured the best way to deal with that was to get plastered and not be there. To numb myself.”

Since he’s been sober, Stigall said he’s on point at all times.

“When I’m uneasy and think I want a drink, I lean on Christ instead. I’ve never had to wake up the next morning and apologize to someone for my prayers.”

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Do Radio Leaders Ever Listen to Their Streams? The Results May Suprise You

Listening might be a shocking experience, and not necessarily in a good way. The stream often seems to be the station’s red-headed bastard stepchild.

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I listen to a lot of radio – a lot of radio. To be more specific, I listen to a lot of radio station’s streams and apps.

I often wonder if the people responsible for the content listen to their product on their streams and apps. Probably not. Listening might be a shocking experience, and not necessarily in a good way. The stream often seems to be the station’s red-headed bastard stepchild.

Let’s consider how vital streams are to listenership, revenue, and the most common issues that make listening on radio station digital platforms less enjoyable than listening over the air.

Jacobs Media’s TechSurvey 2024, released just a few weeks ago, is a reminder of how listening is shifting from traditional radios to digital platforms, including computers, mobile devices, and smart speakers.

Here’s a quick refresher on a couple of findings from Jacobs Media TechSurvey. Actual radios are disappearing from homes. In TechSurvey 2018, 83% had a working radio that they used in their home. That’s dropped to 74% in TechSurvey 2024.

Listening on an AM/FM radio is being replaced by streaming, mobile apps, and smart speakers.

The chart below shows the decline in listening on AM/FM radios from 85% in 2013 to under 60% in the past two years. During the same period, listening on digital platforms rose from a meager 14% to 38%. The trend of more listening on digital platforms will undoubtedly continue.

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In a perfect world, Nielsen would report broadcast and digital listening in single-line reporting, but the recent spat of first-quarter earnings reports shows why that’s unlikely to happen.

  • For Q1-24, Audacy reported radio revenues decreased by 2% while digital revenues were up 10%.
  • During iHeart’s Q1 earnings call, the company reported that the Digital Audio Group’s revenues are pacing up high-single digits in the second quarter, with the Multiplatform Group tracking down mid-single digits.
  • Saga’s new President/CEO discussed protecting radio’s traditional seven-percent (7%) share of advertising and the steps the company has taken to earn its portion of the 60% of budgets marketers spend on digital advertising.
  • In Q1-24, Townsquare Media reported it earned more than 50% of its revenue from its Digital First Local Media strategy for the second consecutive quarter.

Reports like these ensure that the digital platforms and on-air signals will be sold separately for the foreseeable future.

Therefore, treating the digital delivery systems with as much care as the over-the-air product is critical.

A few primary issues plague the majority of radio station streams I hear.

  • Levels: The processing takes care of most levels over the air – not so much on the stream. I notice it the most when listening to play-by-play; maybe that’s on the leagues, but who’s responsible for station IDs and rejoins blasting at double the volume of the play-by-play? Typically, the volume of the spots is somewhere in between – although it varies market-by-market, team-by-team.
  • Traffic: The stream is important enough to match the traffic logs to the on-air logs. Having spots cut off at various times on the stream to rejoin content or rejoining content in progress should no longer be acceptable.

Programmers and brand managers should ensure that traffic can use promos of varying lengths to match stop-set lengths on-air and on the stream.

  • Repetition: Some stations have started to match stop-set lengths. However, some of those stations have a limited number of promos that never seem to change. Create a few more or rotate them in and out.

Radio is a reach and frequency medium. We love clients that run a heavy schedule, just as we repeat the hits.

Nonetheless, there is a point where it becomes ridiculous. To be specific: Hello, MLB. Nearly every game, in every city, repeats the same three spots, in the same order, between every half inning, for every pitching change, and every time-out. Hearing the same stop-set run 25 times (nine innings times two, plus a handful of pitching changes and time-outs – 25 is not an exaggeration, and maybe low) is enough to drive a listener insane. I’m thankful when a board op falls asleep (or is in the bathroom) and the local break (partially) runs.

  • Restarts: It’s jarring when a hiccup causes a section of programming to repeat. It happens with a verse or line in a song, a statement repeats, or a game skips back a play or two. I’ve asked why these skips happen but never received an understandable explanation.

None of these examples happen regularly over the air. No programmer would tolerate them, but they occur frequently on nearly every stream I listen to.

Programmers and brand managers should listen to their digital platforms and not just the over-the-air delivery of the content they work so hard to create.

If broadcasters want people to continue listening to their content, as listening continues to move from traditional AM/FM radios to digital platforms, radio stations must clean up the digital listening experience.

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iHeartMedia News/Talk EVP Chris Berry Encouraged By Radio’s Future

“I’m a huge believer in radio and the future of radio because, especially radio, news and sports content, because those are things that are happening right now.”

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While many journalists are the first to record history, there are very few who make history. iHeartMedia’s Executive Vice President of News, Talk, and Sports Programming, Chris Berry is one of the few who have made history during his career.

It’s taken a lot of skill and tenacity to make it to the top. This combined with his warmhearted disposition and belief in journalism made it all possible and it all started in a Florida high school.

“I always wanted to be a newspaper reporter. In fact, when I was in high school I took a test on what your career should be. It said I should either be a newspaper reporter or a cop,” Berry told Barrett News Media over a Zoom call.

Falling short of wanting to risk his life as an officer of the law, Berry took his passion for print news to TV. His first station after graduating college was at the NBC affiliate in Memphis. Just a few years later, “I heard about an opening [as a news writer] at KNX News Radio in Los Angeles. The CBS-owned, all-news radio station.”

Berry paid his own way out west, took a writing test, and later accepted the job. His idea was to get back into TV after a stint at KNX, but his success put him on a different path. “I’ve spent the rest of my career in radio from the time that I started there.”

Spending 14 years in Los Angeles, Berry then Executive Produced in Washington, D.C. He later moved to WBBM in Chicago as Assistant News Director and later, News and Program Director. During the 1996 DNC Convention, Berry met up with a friend who suggested taking a look at ABC News Radio. Heeding the advice, he set off to New York as the General Manager of Operations for ABC News Radio right after the election. He moved up the ranks at the then-newly minted House of Mouse. It was there when the Ole Miss graduate’s career became historic.

While at ABC, Berry was also on the board of the Radio and Television News Directors Association. He played an instrumental role in the airing the first Supreme Court case. “One of the things that I’m very proud of was during the election of 2000, there was a Supreme Court challenge, Gore versus Bush. We petitioned the United States Supreme Court to broadcast that case,” Berry said.

The historic petition had never been done successfully until Berry’s advocacy. Because of his efforts, oral arguments of Supreme Court cases may now be broadcast. The first taped courtroom remarks aired December 12, 2000, when Gore versus Bush was heard.

While at ABC, Berry was awarded News/Talk Executive of the Year by Radio and Records magazine in 2002. Later, Berry and his team won a Peabody Award and a Marconi Award. In 2012, he left Disney for Clear Channel, which would later evolve into iHeartMedia.

“I’ve been doing this for a long time and I’ve watched the news media evolve. Consumers of news now has so many more sources and places where they can get content. I’m a huge believer in radio and the future of radio — especially radio, news, and sports content — because those are things that are happening right now.” Berry said.

He added social media is a great help to the medium grow listeners. “It helps a lot because it is a great way to inform people of something happening. For example, if you have a newsworthy interview or if you have an event happening like a tornado, you can do a push notification through social media and it can actually drive listening.”

As technology changes and evolves, the newsman with a storied career believes it can only help, as long as things like Artificial Intelligence are used responsibly. “[AI] is a terrific tool that radio stations also have to be very careful about how they use it. As it exists today, is only as good as the content that’s being fed into it.”

Berry believes there is nothing better than having a real live person broadcasting nor does he see an AI robot taking to iHeart’s airwaves anytime soon. “It’s moving very fast as a technology, but my company, iHeartMedia, has publicly said we have no intention of using AI to voice any content because it’s just not something that works right now.”

In other words, AI does not make good radio.

“Good radio has to be compelling. Jack Swanson once said, ‘To inform without entertaining is time squandered.’ When you take a look at, especially talk radio, there does have to be a certain amount of entertainment value as you’re providing the information. Especially now, because people’s attention spans are as short as they are.” Berry added, “You can never lose sight of being factual.”

This sense of good radio touches more than just your dial, it affects podcasts, too. “Radio research over the years has often shown when people are asked to describe why they listen to the radio, they say it’s because it’s a friend. It’s the one-on-one relationship that a listener has with the broadcaster.”

Outside of radio, Berry does have some concerns about the future of the industry. “One of the things that scares me, as a citizen really, is the decline of local newspapers, because they are the places that actually go to the school board meetings or the city council meetings and things like that. When you don’t have a watchdog out there, you run the risk of corruption and people taking advantage of the fact that nobody is watching them.”

For those looking to follow in his footsteps, Berry’s advice is simple.

“Don’t sell radio short because it is a very intimate medium. As a result, it has the ability, if you’re a good radio communicator, to really connect with your audience.” Berry went on to say, “Radio really does provide a relationship with the media consumer that I haven’t really been able to find anywhere else. It’s just different.”

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It’s Time for the FCC to Consider Radical Changes in Broadcasting

The scarcity argument was a product of its time, not envisioning the internet, smartphones, streaming, and podcasts. It’s time to reconsider.

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Anyone in our business has to be on top of what happens at the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC. When I was a young operations manager at a station, my guess was that my tombstone would say “prize, chance, consideration” because those were the keywords for any kind of on-air contesting. 

Recently, I was thinking about the role of the FCC today and whether that role should be as all-encompassing for broadcasting as it has been since the Commission’s founding in 1934. The FCC was the successor to the Federal Radio Commission(FRC) which existed from 1927 to 1934. The FRC was primarily set up to “police” the airwaves such that radio stations would be licensed and that signals would not have undue interference, a major problem prior to the Radio Act of 1927. The Radio Act also introduced the concept of “public interest, convenience, or necessity”. 

When the Communications Act of 1934 was passed, that law added common carrier (telephone) to the new FCC’s oversight. For many decades, this worked. One can argue with some of the FCC’s decisions over the years, but broadcast stations were licensed, interference was kept to a minimum, and the FCC appeared to move with the times. Well, maybe not with AM stereo, but that’s a separate discussion.

Beyond signal interference, there was another important reason for the FCC to exist, the concept of scarcity. Especially in the analog days, spectrum space was limited and a license from the FCC had great value. Given that you couldn’t start a radio station without federal approval (ignoring pirate stations), the concept of a limited number of “voices” in the marketplace was relevant. And while newspapers were not regulated, scarcity was an issue there as well and the Newspaper Preservation Act of 1970 allowed for combinations of papers to keep multiple papers in some markets afloat.

Now it’s 2024 and the question struck me of whether we need the FCC’s broadcasting oversight today beyond limiting interference between stations or approving new technologies like HD Radio or digital broadcasting. We know that over-the-air radio listening has been decreasing for some time; just look at Nielsen data. There’s no need to cite all the reasons her as you could probably name half a dozen in under 15 seconds. Yet the FCC and for that matter, Congress, still appear to adhere to the scarcity paradigm.

Think about the FCC restrictions that exist today regarding radio: ownership caps, use of language, who owns the station and their personal behavior, foreign ownership beyond 20%, and more. Yet, any foreign-owned company can set up streaming in the US that sounds just like a local radio station. In fact, if they wanted, the foreign entity could do local radio, just not on the air with an FCC license (and yes, the FCC has granted a couple of very minor exceptions to this rule). 

Changing the 25% foreign ownership rule doesn’t mean a Russian oligarch will buy iHeart or Kim Jong Un will pick up Cumulus. The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) could review the investments. In other words, don’t expect Ryan Seacrest or Elvis Duran to be replaced by the all-new “Putin in the Morning” show.

Language amazes me. It seems that most of the streamed video that I see contain more “F-bombs” than I can remember using in conversation, perhaps enough to make a longshoreman blush. I watched Succession and was amazed at how many ways you can twist the word “f—.”  The other day, a new movement was announced called “Just F—ing Vote.” When I saw it in the trade press, the F-word contained dashes, but if you go to Fuse TV’s website, you can see it in full, although the logo and the merch use a check mark between the “f” and the “ing”. 

My podcast use is limited, but when I try one (usually a hockey or baseball show from The Athletic), I’m confronted with words George Carlin highlighted more than 50 years ago.  No, the “f-word” isn’t used as much as “like”, “kind of”, “so”, and “basically”, but it doesn’t add anything to my understanding of why a coach made a player a healthy scratch in the last game. Why not let radio stations say whatever they want? Most won’t as some amount of their audiences would be offended, but the words are everywhere else, so WTF? The next Howard Stern might stay in broadcast radio!

Then there is ownership in general. Are we really worried about who owns the stations and how many they own in today’s world? We’ve already heard the market speak with the laundry list of bankruptcies: iHeart, Audacy, Cumulus, Alpha, and more and we’re probably not finished yet. 

I’m not suggesting the FCC is the only cause as debt service combined with market downturns played a bigger role, but we’re talking about competing with the likes of Netflix, Amazon, Apple, and more, companies that could buy the entire radio industry without blinking! And while Spotify is not exactly a money machine, first quarter 2024 revenue was over $3.6 billion. That’s one quarter, folks.

My focus has been on radio, but we know that local television isn’t doing well either. Fortunately for them, political money rains down every two years or so in many markets to keep them going combined with cable retransmission fees, but I’m reading too many articles about dependency on local news that is not as successful as it once was.

Like most of you, I still love radio and like many of you, I started back in the days of broadcast scarcity. The scarcity argument was a product of its time, not envisioning the internet, smartphones, streaming, and podcasts. It’s time to reconsider.

Let’s meet again next week.

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